Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20657 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1999 00:34:05 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 1999 00:34:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 5354 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1999 00:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 13 Nov 1999 00:43:44 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11mQqO-0003DE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:15:04 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11mQqM-0003C5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:15:02 +0000 Received: from steve (beefcake.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.12]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA10129 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:21:09 +1100 Message-ID: <199911130021.LAA10129@mailman.zeta.org.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: visual-CW Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:13:25 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day Rik, I can indeed confirm that this slow visual CW works. It was one of my early attempts to figure out a way of improving the S/N on LF paths. It had one tone for the "dots" and one for the "dashes" spaced by 10Hz each lasting for 30 seconds which were fed to an SSB transmitter. The only difference I had was that I sent a middle tone for the spaces between characters and words. I found that it was easier to determine the presence of a carrier rather than an absence for a space and to actually separate each "dot" or "dash" with a space tone. This method is slower than the method you suggest by a factor of about two. This middle space (or idle) frequency also is an aid for tuning and gives a base line for the "dots" and "dashes". I had 1000Hz for the space (or idle) 1005Hz for the "dash" and 995Hz for the "dot". What are your comments on this? The software didn't have a morse code generator, just random "dots", "dashes" and spaces between them to test the method. However, I got bound up with my FDK method and in the process of developing the code for FDK, I cut this slow FSK code out and I will have to rework it in the future to get it back. BTW, while tests have shown that FDK is better than PSK31 by about 17dB and better than about 10dB better than a reasonable speed QRSS, I feel that the slowness of data transmission (one character/minute) and the stability required (about 0.02Hz over one minute) will mean that FDK will not be practical or attractive for nobody but the most dedicated. In other words, not enough gain for the pain. It also requires synchronisation of the PCs at both ends to within +/-10 seconds and has a fixed data rate of one character/minute. So all in all, I will still play with FDK and prove it works over long paths, but I will probably drift back to the slow FSK CW method and develop it more. The good thing is that everybody can use it and the speed can be adjusted to suit the conditions as you have indicated, unlike FDK. You obviously have progressed further than anyone else along this path and as a user of your excellent QRSS program I (as well as others) was wondering if you have developed your software to a point where you can let others have a go? I haven't worked out how to drive the soundblaster directly from data in memory (I'm not clever enough to do that yet) so the quickest my software could output the tones is practically every 15 seconds or so. You obviously have solved that problem or do you actually shift the frequency of the carrier? Anyway, this post is already too long, but I'm sure there are many of us eager to try out your program and this great idea. 73s Steve Olney (VK2ZTO/AXSO - QF56IK : Lat -33 34 07, Long +150 44 40) ============================================= LowFer URL: http://www.zeta.org.au/~ollaneg/lowfer.htm AXSO LF Experimental Station URL: http://www.zeta.org.au/~ollaneg/axsoextx.htm LF Receiving - FRG-100, CHA antenna LF Transmitting - 177.5/177.4kHz 8W - 7.6m vertical or CHA Modes - AM, SSB, PSK31, SSTV, Hellschreiber, QRSS and a new experimental mode - FDK. See this URL for more: http://www.zeta.org.au/~ollaneg/FDK.htm =============================================