Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3021 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1999 00:00:18 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 1999 00:00:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 16737 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1999 23:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 16 Nov 1999 23:59:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11nsKh-0002LA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:48:19 +0000 Received: from tantalum.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.80]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11nsKg-0002L5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:48:18 +0000 Received: from [62.6.16.112] (helo=default) by tantalum.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11nsKR-00023V-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:48:03 +0000 Message-ID: <008801bf308d$001a2a60$7010063e@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "rsgb_lf_group" Subject: LF: counterpoises ?? Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:45:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all , I have been fascinated by the various ideas and results on using counterpoises. One thing occurs to me is that I am not sure whether Finbar reported RESONATING his counterpoise, he did talk about TUNING it with a spare ATU. I am not sure whether this means that for the best operation the counterpoise might not be resonant. I must admit that is at first sight counter-intuitive, as one would expect reactive currents to increase the losses. Finbar's was about 15 foot above ground I think, and I suppose his extensive earth mat (HI HI) would still be effective, even if not connected to the system. The upshot of this ramble is to question "does it make any difference if you tune the counterpoise for maximum AERIAL current rather than resonate IT like aerial" My thoughts are that it is a complex system with the interaction with the real ground and whole thing should be treated as an entity (maybe?) If this proves to be the case it would be very difficult the model effectively. When Mike described resonating the counterpoise, I wonder what he did with the aerial? does it need to be detuned? or removed? A fascinating problem, with lots of variables and lots of room for loads of frustration, but a germ of something usefull perhaps. Cheeers de Alan G3NYK Alan.Melia@btinternet.com