Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14085 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1999 11:53:37 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 1999 11:53:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 9295 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1999 11:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 18 Nov 1999 11:52:51 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11oPuf-0000dq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:39:41 +0000 Received: from [206.67.58.119] (helo=radiometrix.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11oPud-0000dl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:39:39 +0000 Received: from default [62.188.144.49] by radiometrix.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A526279B0132; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 06:38:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000901bf31b9$8a580bc0$3190bc3e@default> From: "Kevin Ravenhill" To: "RSGB LF Group" Subject: LF: Receivers and power-line noise Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:38:27 -0000 Organization: Radiometrix Ltd. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, This may well have been mentioned before on this reflector, so apologies to those concerned if it's going back over old ground. For anyone plagued by power line "hash" when receiving on LF, particularly when using wire antennas, it's worth checking the cleanliness of the DC power supply which is being used to power the receiving setup. I have found out the hard way that the rectifier diodes in some power supplies can generate truly enormous amounts of harmonic hash at these frequencies. I have not checked too closely but I assume this is simply being re-radiated through the transformer and into the mains wiring. There is EC EMC legislation relevant to this aspect of power supply design, but I'm not sure how effective this is in "special cases" such as our very weak signal conditions. I have tried several power units ranging from simple regulated "plug-top" types to more complex heavy current 13.8V PSUs specifically designed for powering radio gear. I currently use a small double-insulated (i.e. no mains earth connection) plug-top PSU to power my receiver. This was originally so bad that it completely wiped out reception on my AKD HF3 below about 2MHz (note that this PSU was actually intended for this receiver!). In this case the problem was cured by the simple expedient of fitting a 0.1uF ceramic capacitor across the transformer secondary feed to the bridge rectifier, but this is not necessarily a cure for all situations. Lots of lossy ferrite etc. on the mains side may be called for! My Daiwa 13.8V 12A unit is much better in this respect but does still introduce a small level of extra noise. This is not really significant enough to warrant modification though. A slightly cheaper grade of 13.8V 5A PSU was tested and this proved too noisy to be usable without extensive modification. Finally, I have a multi-output variable voltage lab-type PSU for bench work which has also proved too noisy to power the LF gear as it stands. I suppose the surest way to eliminate this kind of noise would be to run the receiving gear from batteries, which would also get round the problem of noise directly coupled from the mains. I would be interested to know how many other people have encountered similar problems with LF reception. 73 Kevin, G1HDQ