Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13349 invoked from network); 28 Oct 1999 01:22:34 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 28 Oct 1999 01:22:34 +0100 Received: (qmail 17814 invoked from network); 28 Oct 1999 00:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 28 Oct 1999 00:30:43 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11gdBE-0004pn-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 01:12:36 +0100 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11gdBB-0004ph-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 01:12:33 +0100 Received: from [195.99.49.169] (helo=default) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11gdB7-0007Ia-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 01:12:29 +0100 Message-ID: <015a01bf20d8$754bf440$af12063e@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "rsgb_lf_group" Subject: LF: re Dave's corrections to my 'Musings' on CFH Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:46:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Dave, thanks for the check...the trouble with postage stamp calculations is you can't read your own writing afterwards! Not when your eyesight is like mine. I did get the distances screwed up. I thought the nearest path to the 'New World' was under 2000 miles (i.e just over 3000km) but that is from Mallin Head to Gander Newfoundland rather than Nova Scotia. Distinctly duff geography on my part, and its another 800kms to Halifax. My locator program gives my location to CFH as 4700kms. I must admit I began to have quarms about the distance calculation, and dug out my old great circle map to check it. Healthy skepticism for other people's software! The interesting thing is its makes an almost insignificant difference to the path attenuation. Richard Lamont's Graph shows the water path attenuation rising at 20dB per decade( of distance) so the attenuation for 4500kms (rather than the 3000 I used ) is a mere 3dB more. This would seem to confirmed by some comments from the Antipodes reporting very much greater distances heard across water. The 200 foot quote was not a misread of Jon's data, I was using it as a stepping stone to 600ft. I thought doubling a mast height (WA2XTZ has 100 foot masts I believe) might give 3dB 'gain' so multiply by 6 is around 8dB. I expected someone to leap on my logic and beat me up here.... it was a kind of a 'kite flying' exercise to see if anyone could come up with a better figure. There's no doubt it going to be a tough one, Dave....like Top Band in the early days with 10w DC....but that proved 'do-able' in the end. The one interesting effect, suggested by someones anecdotes of old ROs, was that the path may not be reciprocal. Whoops, I've done it again, and flooded the reflector with messages....well hope you found them fun I certainly did. 73 de Alan G3NYK Alan.Melia@btinternet.com