Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27710 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 06:18:04 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 06:18:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 29223 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 05:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 05:16:06 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11SCNZ-0007DZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 05:45:41 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from ds-img-3.compuserve.com ([149.174.206.136] helo=spdmgaac.compuserve.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11SCNY-0007DU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 05:45:40 +0100 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.6) id AAA07820 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:45:38 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:45:28 -0400 From: "'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: Re: LF: LF-antenna with top load To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <199909180045_MC2-854C-5F0A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello fellows, first of all thank you Dick and Peter for running all those simulations. Again, I have learned a lot. >Refering to the last part of my second report (16.9.99 14.17) it is clear >that top loads are hardly a substitute for height. Even raising the antenna >from 10 to 15 m increases radiation resistance more than even the largest >top load can do.< This is probably the reason why the early German longwave stations, for example in Nauen (starting in 1906) or Königs-Wusterhausen (1915) or the stations of the OMEGA navigations system on 13 kHz used umbrella antennas. If you compare, what is necessary to build a 10m high antenna with four horizontal radials, you need four supporting poles of equal height (or trees, a house or whatever in the right distance) besides the antenna mast. The umbrella antenna consists of only one vertical mast, and the top load wires can servce as supporting wires as well. So doubling the height of that antenna, you need less material compared but have a much higher efficiency, even with sloping top load wires. By the way, I was able to confirm the theoretical results of Dick's and Peter's simulations when I shortened my top load radials from 20m down to 10m. Best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)