Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27415 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1999 05:36:37 -0000 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by murphys.force9.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 05:36:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 8571 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1999 05:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 05:35:46 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11Ql8B-0005GP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:27:51 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from as-img-3.compuserve.com ([149.174.217.146] helo=spamgaac.compuserve.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11Ql8A-0005GK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:27:50 +0100 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.5) id BAA14580 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:27:47 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:26:13 -0400 From: "'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: LF: Advice on Antenna. To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <199909140127_MC2-84B5-742B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Des, first of all welcome to the LF group. From your writeup I can see that you have spend a lot of time to carefully read what has been published and have done some "training" listening into the band. This is, in my view, an excellent approach. I myself belong to the more unpatient people and have tried everything to be QRV as fast as possible. This included several disappointments and a stony road to success. If you have followed the reflector news for a while you will see that my signal improved quite well during the past couple of months. I have practically experimented with a couple of antennas. If you only have limited space available, you do not have too many options, I believe. You have already discussed some of the options in your message and already pointed into the right direction. To me, option 4 (vertical antenna with 3x7m top load) would be an option that comes close to what I am using. What I finally came up with is, what in the old broadcasting literature of the first half of this century is called an umbrella antenna. If you have access to the internet, have a look at http://www.dk8kw.home.pages.de, where I show my setup and a drawing of a commercial umbrella antenna from the past. The characteristics of that umbrella is, that the top load is not necessarily horizontal but the top load radials can slope down at an angle of 45 degrees or even steeper. This makes the mechanical handling of such an antenna much easier, because you do not need supporting poles in the same hight as your vertical mast. Those top loads should not be too long, the geometry that I selected here is an antenna height of 18m and four top load radials, 10m long each, 45 degrees sloping angle. To increase capacity, I had those top load nearly twice as long before, but this setup suffered from the fact that the top loads shielded the antenna. Shortening those radials increased my signal (and incoming signals, or example by DCF39) by approximately 3 dB. My mast is made of fibreglas, and I can retract this antenna within 20 seconds down to 3m, in case of an upcoming thunderstorm, for example. Of course, I could add the usual LF antenna advises: stay away from leaves and trees with your radials, even at moderate power outputs you can produce sparks that are a couple of inches long! And of course ground rods and earth radials are essential to make the thing work. There was a previous discussion on grounding here onthe reflector, so I am a little bit careful just saying, the more wire you put into the ground, the better. There might be circumstances when less is more. Hopefully this contribution to discussion helps you to make up your mind. See you on the band with a astrong and steady signal. Since you have build a transverter, I am sure that you are also able to run an SSB signal, so you are another possible station to be QRV also in more exotic modes such as PSK31 or Hell. Best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)