Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13767 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 11:27:12 -0000 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by murphys.force9.net with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 11:27:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 14956 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 11:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 11:25:05 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11KgVJ-0004g1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:18:37 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Received: from mail.netlife.fi ([195.74.0.39] helo=laatikko.saunalahti.fi) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11KgVH-0004fw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:18:36 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from meisaku (MKLIII.hdyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.165.153]) by laatikko.saunalahti.fi (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA18556 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:18:37 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990828141830.00823c80@mail.dlc.fi> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Sender: vaiski@mail.dlc.fi X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:18:30 +0300 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=E4in=F6_Lehtoranta?= Subject: Re: LF: Multiple Tuned Vertical In-reply-to: <37C777F5.3441@xtra.co.nz> References: <3.0.1.16.19990827143645.268f4bda@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: The German Navy VLF antenna at Rhauderfehn (Ramsloh) 23.4 kHz is multiple tuned. It comprises eight 325.5 metre umbrella top loaded antennas. Each antenna is separately fed, and the 8 elements of the antenna array are coupled through radiation. Rr= 1.9 ohm; Rg= 0.15 ohm; Ras= 2.25 ohm; eta= 87%. 73 from Vaino, OH2LX At 17:47 28.8.1999 +1200, >Rik Strobbe wrote: >> But what to do with the 'loss resistance' (RL) in the real world ? >> Assume a simple model where both tuned sections share the same >> ground-system. In that case RL would be in series with R and this would >> mean that a double tuned vertical would not only quadruple the radiation >> resistance but also the loss resistance, resulting in an unchanged ratio >> between radiation resistance and loss resistance. > >Bob ZL2CA wrote:> >Which is basically what I meant in my previous comments about >"transformer action" from the division of current between multiple tuned >vertical feeds. It is similar to a folded dipole transformation. >Overall, multiple tuned verticals are still a similar antenna structure >from the point of view of "looking back at it from some distance away". >Multiple tuned vertical parts are an "impedance transformation trick" >but do very little, if anything, for the net radiation resistance of the >whole antenna. Where some advantages are likely is in the multiple >grounds. > ---------------------------------------------------------- V.K.Lehtoranta, OH2LX, POBox 50, FIN-05401 Jokela, Finland ------ Tel: +358-9-4173965 ---- Fax: +358-9-4173961 ------ E-mail: vaiski@dlc.fi - alias: oh2lx@dlc.fi & oh2lx@sral.fi