Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1544 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 09:17:40 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 09:17:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 26052 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 08:15:59 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 08:15:59 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11IpB8-0007e8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:10:06 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.8.44]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11IpB5-0007dz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:10:03 +0100 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA10602 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:16:09 +0200 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19990823101052.2d4f0714@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:10:52 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Multiple tuned vertical In-reply-to: <000601beeba0$859e6e80$ed29f482@win95.swipnet.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 08:43 21/08/99 +0200, you wrote: >I would like to hear if anyone have tested the Multiple Tuned Vertical in some form. >I have understood that the antenna transforms the feed impedance with a factor equal to the square of the number of wires used. E.g.10 wires would raise the feed impedance about 100 times. >I'm just rebuilding my LF-station and this antenna looks very interesting. However, not much information has been found in my litterature. Links or articles would be much appreciated. >73, >Christer / sm6pxj > I found a brief decription of a vertical antenna with multiple tuning in the "Handbuch der Hochfrequenztechnik" by Meinke/Gundlach (p. 531 in in the 1968 edition). I think it works quite similar to the open / folded dipole system where a folded dipole also has 4 times the radiation resistance of an open dipole. So having 2 tuned vertical wires connected to 1 topload will multiple the radiation reststance by 4, 3 wires will multiple by 8 etc ... If each vertical wire is well separated and has its own groundsystem you will also reduce losses. So far 2 things stopped me from testing this system : 1. How far do the vertical parts have to be separated to be effective ? Looking at folded dipoles for HF/VHF the 2 parallel parts are at least 1% spaced, this would mean about 22m on 136kHz. 2. On first sight (and doing some simple calculations) the total antenna capacitance is 'divided' over the multiple verticals. So that would mean that not only each vertical part will need its own loading coil but also that for a 'double tuned' antenna each loading coil will need the double inductance compared to a 'single loaded'. For a 'triple loaded' antenna the inductances of the loading coils will need to be 3 times bigger etc .... Also, if you feed the same current into the antennasystem the antennavoltage will double for an 'double tuned' and triple for a 'triple tuned' antenna. This might also created some practical problems. I am a bit sceptic about the practical use of this antenna, but this should stop nobody from testing it and reporting results to the reflector. 73, Rik ON7YD Rik Strobbe ON7YD rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be Villadreef 14 B-3128 Baal BELGIUM (JO20IX)