Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29964 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 11:35:35 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 11:35:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 8358 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 10:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 10:12:33 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11EVCD-0006r5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:01:21 +0100 Received: from tk2.ihug.co.nz ([203.29.160.14] helo=smtp2.ihug.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11EVCB-0006qz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:01:20 +0100 Received: from test (p50-max2.chc.ihug.co.nz [207.214.13.50]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id WAA02587 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:01:00 +1200 Message-ID: <00d701bee3e0$86bc0100$0200a8c0@test> From: "Dave Brown" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <37B123A5.F924C09D@cableol.co.uk> Subject: LF: Re: Measurement of loop antenna current Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:01:45 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sender: Steve & others You need to find the RF resistance of the loop at the working frequency to see how the measured 2.3 amps compares with what you may expect for the 18 watt power level. There are several methods to do this but the easiest to implement is the most obvious, use a scope to check the voltage across the (measured and known)loop inductance and see if Ohms Law still applies! The scope ground can be an issue though. Another way is to use the incremental resistance method where you take the resonating capacitance out of cct, maintain the source voltage constant and measure the loop current, then insert a low value resistance in series with the loop and do it again. A bit of arithmetic and you have the rf resistance of the loop. You may need to allow for the rf ammeter resistance as well if using low powers and currents. The same method can also be used to measure the total loss resistance for a vertical tx antenna system although I have not done this personally as I do not run a vertical antenna for TX. Others here in ZL have done so though. My loop antenna has a dc resistance of around 0.25 ohms but the measured rf resistance is up about 5 ohms at 180 kHz. This checks out against the measured current on tx of about 30 amps in the loop (measured using a current xfmr arrangement) and the tx output power of around 750 watts, the latter measured with a 30 dB Bird 1kW attenuator and calibrated spectrum analyser. Somewhere in there, all mixed up with the 5 ohms loss resistance in the loop, is the rather meagre 0.00001 ohms or so radiation resistance of the darn thing!! So all I am doing is providing a heated (well, vaguely so) perch for the local bird life! 73 Dave ZL3FJ