Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5774 invoked from network); 23 Jul 1999 18:09:42 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 18:09:42 +0100 Received: (qmail 6654 invoked from network); 23 Jul 1999 17:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 17:12:06 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 117igc-0006sc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:00:42 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Received: from mailout02.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.150]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 117igb-0006sX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:00:41 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from fwd07.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.167]) by mailout02.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 117igW-00014p-00; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:00:36 +0200 Received: (320057114934-0001(btxid)@[62.157.27.91]) by fwd07.btx.dtag.de id ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:00:27 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:00:27 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: DK7UY@geocities.com Subject: LF: Ground systems X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 320057114934-0001@t-online.de From: "DF2PY" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sender: Hello Lowfers ! In one of the recent postings it was stated,that chicken wire on the ground makes no good RF-ground.Well what i got to say about it is not very much scientifically researched by myself,but i tried to do it experimentally with the probes that were available to me. I run a two element vertical array on 160m and finally came up with chicken wire as the best solution.I measured the current in the radials and did measurments in the "near far field",as well as signal readings about 100 wavelength away. attaching the chicken-wire was far superior to the single wire radials.As far as conductivity of my soil is concerned,i am on a waterfront-property and the level of groundwater is only 3 feet down,i cant ask for more with sweetwater.Of course it is hard to compare as the surface of both is hard to compare.But following the basic rules ,You ought to have as much conducting surface as You can where the RF-current is high-thats at the feed on the ground for the antennas in discussion.Thats exactly where the most energy is dissipated =in poor conducting soil and in lossy dielectrics.Additionally in non-ideal Inductors-but thats not the issue. Coming back to LF,i found the antenna current only slightly increasing with more chicken-wire.BUT ! The field-strength came up unproportionaly !! That means the efficiency came up and that is something You don`t see on the feedpoint-current.Some get misleaded that way.For newcomers to "antenna-land" it means that raising input power is one thing,the other is bringing up the efficiency,and as the later one is a very complex function of too many factors we cannot sufficiently control,the best is to measure the field strength- to which i think Dick-PA0SE made a very helpful contribution.In addition i think it is good to reduce the amount of lossy dielectric ( soil )in the field,with a ground screen on the ground You can achieve that,given that the surface is big enough to cancel most of the ground effect from the "original ground ". sorry for the bandwidth i am taking here,but i guess thats the purpose of this forum.I tried to refrain from formulas and " Einstein-type" hypothesis and get a fruitful exchange with people started,that know more about it than i do. good dx !! de df2py