Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25652 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 21:41:07 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 21:41:07 +0100 Received: (qmail 26636 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 20:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 20:43:44 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 118rMg-00027L-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:28:50 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mda.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.3] helo=mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 118rMe-00027E-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:28:49 +0100 Received: from [202.27.181.142] by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990726203115.NGAT956294.mta2-rme@[202.27.181.142]> for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:31:15 +1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <379CBAFF.652B@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:46:07 +1200 From: "vernall" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Ground systems References: <3.0.1.16.19990726095047.2eff9c40@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sender: Rik Strobbe wrote: > > At 09:51 24/07/99 +1200, ZL2CA wrote: > >Connecting the mains earth to the RF earth INCREASED THE RF RESISTANCE > >OF THE ANTENNA. > > I (and others) experienced the same. I think that this increase could be > explained by the fact that the 'returning' current coming from the > 'radial-earth' and from the 'mains-earth' have different phase, so simple > 'resistor-wise' paralleling of both earthsystems is not valid. If the > phase-difference between both currents is large enough the resulting total > current will be less than the current from 1 system only. Or said otherwise > the total resistance will increase instead of decrease. > Would be interesting if not only the currents in both earthsystems but also > their phasedifference could be measured. The measurements by Kevin ZL4MD and myself did not include checking for a phase difference in current going to each ground system. However, if there is a "reactive difference" it could easily be tuned out by adjusting the variometer, and there WAS NO CHANGE NEEDED IN TUNING for the test we conducted. The net resistance did increase (as already reported). So my conclusion is that even if there is a reactance shift, that could be "tuned out", but any increase in resistance necessarily lowers efficiency. As I commented earlier, this type of observation is likely only for an RF earth system that is already working very well (enough to show up what happens with non-ideal layout of what was hoped to be "radials"). In my case, with a suburban-sized property, even though I have an extensive ground radial system, with earth stakes at most outer ends, I notice a small increase in LF antenna current when I jumper the mains earth to the RF earth. This shows that in my case the connection of an additional earth lowers the net resistance of the antenna. Also I have not noticed that retuning the antenna is needed ie the change is resistive only. Note that I run all of my shack via a 5 kVA isolation transformer, including a multisection low pass filter on the mains side, in an attempt to keep mains noise out of my VLF/LF receiving gear, and I usually leave it that way during transmit. I will try to find time to do some phase checks on respective earth currents, when jumpering the isolation, but my expectation is that they would be in phase, or very close to in phase. Bob ZL2CA