Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9947 invoked from network); 16 Jul 1999 22:50:54 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 22:50:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 29706 invoked from network); 16 Jul 1999 21:52:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 21:52:42 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 115FTz-0001z2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:25:27 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from [203.96.92.1] (helo=mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 115FTv-0001w1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:25:24 +0100 Received: from [202.27.178.155] by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990716212826.TVGJ957005.mta1-rme@[202.27.178.155]> for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:28:26 +1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <378FA25C.4435@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 09:21:33 +1200 From: "vernall" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Horizontal polarisation on LF? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sender: Hi all, Taking up the thread of the ERP discussion, and consideration of verticals or a dipole: At the rather long wavelengths of interest, amateur antennas at LF are usually very short in electrical length terms. The presence of "earth" can not be separated from the antenna environment. The "earth" is a combination of conductance and dielectric. The launching of a radiated wave is greatly facilitated by using the ground conductivity, and is why VERTICAL POLARISATION is the main mode of antenna operation, and ensuing GROUND WAVES are relied on for reliable coverage (at least that is the reasoning for most of the broadcast and military LF systems). Usual practice is to have a "big antenna with lots of top loading" and "lots of ground radials". LF amateurs are mostly building small scale versions of what the "big boys" do i.e. a Marconi T or variant. However, the best of amateur LF DX is usually a result of SKY WAVE propagation, even if the amateur antennas are vertically polarised (the polarisation reflected by the ionosphere could be random, but only the vertical component is efficiently received). If sky wave mode is what is actually being sought after, then it may well be worth experimenting with a horizontal "dipole"? The ground conductivity will try to "short out" the launching of a ground wave, but who cares if sky waves are the desired main objective? A horizontal wire electrically close to ground provides a "near vertical incidence" radiation pattern, with most power "going upwards", but with sufficient angular spread to provide reasonable DX from a one hop path via an ionospheric reflection. One New Zealand amateur, Bruce ZL1WB, uses a very long wire strung out over a gully, and with only 30 watts of RF power applied, is the most often copied ZL LF amateur station in Australia (spanning the Tasman Sea, a definite sky wave path, signals are zero much of the time during daylight hours). So there is a suggestion that the very long wire that is mostly horizontal in nature does provide good LF DX. So, casting aside the preconditioning about vertical polarisation and LF, I suggest that it would be well worth investigating from the point of view of sky wave DX potential. Does anyone have a back yard that is a half wave across on LF :) I do not :( Regards, Bob ZL2CA PS I would ask Finbar if he could erect a second big mast for the other end of an LF dipole?