Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23818 invoked from network); 22 Jul 1999 11:17:14 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 11:17:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 2577 invoked from network); 22 Jul 1999 10:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 10:19:30 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 117FcK-0001kW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:58:20 +0100 Received: from smtp.mail.big-orange.net ([143.179.236.31] helo=Iguanodon.big-orange.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 117FcI-0001kQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:58:19 +0100 Received: from w8k3f0 ([143.179.151.109]) by Iguanodon.big-orange.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA66B9 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:58:11 +0200 Message-ID: <02f801bed429$5f812780$6097b38f@w8k3f0> From: "Dick Rollema" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: Re: Re: A help with rx sensitivity ?? Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:02:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sender: >From PA0SE Geri, DK8KW, wrote: I am probably the closest amateur-LF station to DCF39, so my measurment is not relevant. I receive it here constantly -33 dBm(75) with my new "Umbrella-Type Antenna", about 120 km away from the transmitter site. Dear Geri, I am a bit amazed that the signal is "only" -33 dBm because at my QTH the signal has exactly the same strength but I am 500 km from DCF39! I use a Wandell & Goltermann PSM-5 Pegelmessplatz. According to CCIR graphs for "Land" (sigma = 30 mS/m, epsilon = 40) the signal at your place should be some 18 dB stronger than with me. Maybe the ground between DCF39 and my QTH is better, propagation wise speaking, than between DCF39 and your QTH. I read your are using a new antenna. Did you also pay attention to the earthing system? It is in this part of the system that invariably the greatest losses occur. The situation at my place seems to be not too bad, going by the reports I receive. I earthed the rig to the central heating system and that is connected via the gaspipe to real ground. Total resistance is about 60 ohm, of which some 48 ohm is loss in the earthing system and 12 ohm in the loading coil (L = 3,3 microhenry). I had a look at your website with the conversion table for dBm, dB and S-points. Very useful indeed! Hope we can have a QSO in the near future. 73, Dick, PA0SE