Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13797 invoked from network); 25 Jul 1999 21:33:44 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 21:33:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 20600 invoked from network); 25 Jul 1999 20:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 20:36:13 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 118Ub5-0000e3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:10:11 +0100 Received: from mb05.swip.net ([193.12.122.209]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 118Ub3-0000dy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:10:10 +0100 Received: from s-257519 (dialup38-1-3.swipnet.se [130.244.38.3]) by mb05.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA02799 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:10:07 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <00a901bed6d9$b6cd2ea0$0326f482@s-257519> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: SV: LF: Ground systems Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:09:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sender: >From Johan, SM6LKM Bob, ZL2CA, wrote: >Connecting the mains earth to the RF earth INCREASED THE RF >RESISTANCE OF THE ANTENNA. We re-checked several times, >and also checked that the voltage across the capacitor was low >(which it was). So there was no mistake in the experimental result. >In that case, it was not a good move to connect the mains earth. This is interesting. I have had the same experience. My antenna is an inverted L, about 80 - 90 meters long, height varies between 10 and 20 meters (sloping terrain) and the far end is the highest point. The feedpoint resistance was about 75 ohms when mains protective ground was used alone (including loading coil etc). When I tried the 6 inch steel tube in our deep drilled water source, the feedpoint resistance fell to 36 ohms at resonance. The tube is 12 meters long, 11 of which of goes through soil and the remaining 1 meter is inserted into the solid rock below. When I connected the mains ground in parallel with the big tube, feedpoint resistance increased to about 55 ohms. I do not have a complete understanding of what happened but I think that the efficiency of the antenna is better with the big tube ground alone, regardless of feedpoint resistance changes. I will make field strength measurements as soon as I find time to finish a PA... (Thanks to Dick Rollema for a great article!) The soil is quite"transparent" at 136 kHz and the penetration depth can be several tens of meters (skin effect). With the deep tube, the average electrical ground level is perhaps 6 meters *below* the surface so I believe that the effective height is greater than what one might first expect. Connecting the mains ground in parallel will probably reduce the effective heigth. Any comments? 73 de Johan, SM6LKM