Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5302 invoked from network); 13 Jul 1999 13:43:55 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 1999 13:43:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 27195 invoked from network); 13 Jul 1999 12:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 13 Jul 1999 12:45:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 1141hq-0001KZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:30:42 +0100 Received: from smtp.mail.big-orange.net ([143.179.236.31] helo=Iguanodon.big-orange.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 1141hp-0001KU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:30:41 +0100 Received: from w8k3f0 ([143.179.151.99]) by Iguanodon.big-orange.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAD645D; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:30:31 +0200 Message-ID: <007001becd2c$1a215600$6397b38f@w8k3f0> From: "Dick Rollema" To: "LF-Group" Cc: "Pieter Bruinsma" , "Koos Fockens, PA0KDF" , "Klaas Spaargaren, PA0KSB" , "Jaap Kroon, PA0IF" , "Hendrik de Waard, PA0ZX" , "Gerrit Jan Huijsman, PA0GJH" , "Ger van Went, PA0GER" Subject: LF: Re: PA0SE Field Strength Meter Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:33:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sender: >From PA0SE to All Dave, G3YMC, wrote: Dick's field strength meter looks interesting - well done Dick. Not sure whether it would detect much of my QRPP set up at 1km! The DVM I use with my FSM indicates voltages less than 1000 mV in three digits. With no signal tuned in the meter reads 1 mV. This must be receiver noise. But due to the low cut off frequency of the low pass filter (- 3B at 88 Hz) it sounds like a low rumble. For a meaningful result the reading should be 10 mV or so as a minimum. Due to the uncertainty of the last digit in a DVM this would mean an (in)accuracy of plus or minus 10% which would be adequate I think. (Measuring field strength is never a precision job). As a reading of 1000 mV corresponds to 5 mV/m in my FSM the field producing a reading of 10 mV is 0.05 mV/m. Inserting that and a distance d = 2 km into equation (1) of my FSM story yields a radiated power of 0.111 mW (or 0.111 * 1.83 = 0.203 mW ERP). I don't know how QRPP your station is Dave but I expect my FSM could cope with it. I wonder how this direct conversion receiver works as a general purpose 136 receiver. I suspect it is probably a little lacking in gain, but perhaps Dick can comment. I need to sort out a suitable receiver for portable use, possibly for an Alderney trip where there is a 15kg air luggage limit. There are two factors to be considered, sensitivity and selectivity. A dc-receiver can be made as sensitive as a superhet. I have put my FSM between the Helmholtz coils again to find the minimum signal that could be detected by ear. It corresponded to a field strength of about 9 microvolt/m. That is not good enough for a receiver but remember that the low pass filter starts to attenuate an audiosignal at 88 Hz. The test signal had to produce a note well above that to be heard in the headphones and thus the signal had already suffered considerable attenuation. Also for CW a note between 700 and 1000 Hz is usual and the ear is much more sensitive there. By removing resistor R4 in parallel with the antenna circuit the gain would increase by a factor of three or so. So a dc-receiver along the lines of my FSM could have sufficient gain as a receiver. (When used with the transmitting antenna for reception instead of the ferrite rod the gain would definitely be plentiful but this would require extra front-end selectivity to obtain an acceptable strong signal behaviour. But that applies to a superhet as well of course). Now the selectivity matter. For a FSM my system with a three section RC low pass filter is sufficient because an interfering signal is added quadratically to the wanted signal. As an example let the signal to be measured produce an audio signal of 500 mV on the DVM. Assume that also present is an interfering signal at a different frequency that would produce 50 mV on the meter if alone. Then the meter does not read 500 + 50 = 550 mV but SQR (500^2 + 50^2) = 502 mV. Though the interfering signal is only 20log(500/50) = 20 dB weaker that the wanted one the influence on the measurement is negliglible. When used for aural reception the story becomes quite a different one. The ear hears signals at different frequencies separately so the quadratic summing trick does not work . In addition the ear/brain-system has an enormous dynamic range. I don't know how much but think at least 60 dB or so. When my FSM is tuned away from DCF39 with volume turned up I can still hear the audio note until it reaches about 2500 Hz. The signal then must have been attenuated in the low pass filter by some calculated 68 dB! This illustrates the problem. In case of a dc-receiver for CW the low pass filter must be replaced by an audio band pass one with a pass band of 700....1000 Hz, say. Below and above that band attenuation must steeply rise to 80 or more dB. An almost impossible requirement. Another drawback of the dc-receiver is that it is a double sideband receiver. In the case of our example there exists another passband of 300 Hz wide on the other side of the oscillator frequency. With a phasing system the one sideband can be suppressed but the the simplicity of the dc-receiver is then lost. Also I expect sideband suppression at best may reach some 50 dB or so and that does not really help. My conclusion is that a dc-receiver for the 136 kHz band may be used for occasional listening but is no good for serious work. The selectivity requirement is met in superhets by cascading filters at different intermediate frequencies, sometimes augmented by an audiofilter. My own long wave receiver has an i.f. of 30 kHz and selectable i.f.-filters with different pass bands, all having 11 high-Q tuned circuits with ferrite pot cores. The narrowest filter has a 400 Hz wide passband.. Even with this filter I can still hear DCF39 weakly in the filter stop band. I therefore also use audio filters (35 or 200 Hz wide) between the audio output of the receiver and the headphones. Hope this answers Dave's query. 73, Dick, PA0SE JO22GD D.W. Rollema V.d. Marckstraat 5 2352 RA Leiderdorp The Netherlands Tel. +31 71 589 27 34 E-mail: d.w.rollema@gironet.nl or pa0se@amsat.org