Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29518 invoked from network); 16 Jun 1999 21:09:01 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 1999 21:09:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 18565 invoked from network); 16 Jun 1999 18:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (194.75.130.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 16 Jun 1999 18:46:51 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10uBJy-0006Ov-00; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:45:22 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA23001 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:44:07 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA22997 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:44:04 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net ([195.102.240.33]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10uBIS-0006Oi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:43:48 +0100 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #34) id 10uCDM-0000in-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:42:37 +0000 Received: from miked.rsgbhq [192.168.2.30] by rsgb.org.uk [192.168.2.132] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:26:54 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Mike Dennison" Organization: Radio Society of Great Britain To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:28:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: LF: DSP? Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01BEB7CF.082E06E0@pc033hk.hk.cro.cz> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org OK1FIG wrote: > We are probably damned to fight agains QRN and QRM. Recently I had > opportunity to buy an external DSP device. I wonder what the experience > of DSP users are. Certainly it is great to have a very narrow non-ringing filter. > I mean rather use of noise-reduction techniques. Do they really provide > a possibility of making very weak signals (normal CW) more readable? > Or is it only a toy and I had better to rely on my well-trained ear? > My experience is that with only one weak signal down in the noise, an external DSP filter does not give better readability than a "well trained ear". As the signal gets stronger, or QRM is audible, it is more comfortable listening to the DSP filtered signal. I have not found a DSP filter that has an effect on QRN. I think it is worth having such a filter, if only to reduce the strong close-in QRM that GW4ALG wrote about (not a problem in OK - yet), but don't expect to be able to read weaker stations than you can now. I suspect that the way forward with LF reception is with a very narrow-band, highly directional rotatable receive antenna with broad front and steep null. This will allow the reduction of amateur QRM, electrical noise, and blocking by commercial signals. Interestingly, when I built an amplified ferrite rod receive antenna for 73kHz it had a much narrower bandwidth (few hundred Hz) and sharper null than my 1m loop antenna - but the loop received better! Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.dennison.demon.co.uk/activity.htm