Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15445 invoked from network); 26 Jun 1999 23:12:02 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 1999 23:12:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 15103 invoked from network); 26 Jun 1999 22:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 26 Jun 1999 22:12:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 10y0Po-0006Fb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:55:12 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from [203.96.92.1] (helo=mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 10y0Pk-0006FW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:55:09 +0100 Received: from [202.27.181.202] by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990626215740.BRH3789.mta1-rme@[202.27.181.202]> for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:57:40 +1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <37754423.2DAE@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:20:35 +1200 From: "vernall" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-XTRA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Antennas References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sender: Mike Dennison wrote: > > I have done very many antenna experiments over the past 2-3 > years to get a better signal at 73 and 136kHz from a small garden. snip snip I have found by using a telescopic mast at the outer part of my LF top loading that there is a significant benefit in being "all wires high" and certainly avoid a low wire such as in an "inverted Vee" or "downhill L". Readings were made by a local amateur using a calibrated selective level meter, and done several times, with consistent results. A lower wire likely causes an electric "hot spot" (extra ground loss) or reduces effective height (efficiency is height squared), or a combination of both. As always on LF, sky hooks are very welcome :) > One a similar topic, what influences the capacitance of a multi-wire > top section? Is it simply wire diameter so a thick wire has more > capacitance than a thin wire? What about multiple parallel wires - > these are often suggested to be a metre or so apart - why? If the > distance makes a difference, do I assume that the further apart > they are the better the effect, and if so why is this? The formula for capacitance of a wire over ground (which I do not have on hand at present) involves a logarithmic relationship with wire diameter. The practical implication is that the capacitance of one wire does not vary much with wire size, but of course capacitance still varies directly with wire length. Using more than one wire needs to have some spacing between wires, else they are similar to one slightly fatter wire, so the increase in capacitance is small. In the other extreme, if two wires are far apart, that can double the net capacitance to ground. However, most practical amateur antennas have a limit in support points, so running wires in parallel is worth trying. Proximity effect takes its toll as wires are placed closer together, so spacers of the order of half to one metre likely give a good compromise. Some digital multimeters (DMM) on the capacitance range give a meaninful reading of antenna capacitance at very low frequencies (typically in the audio range, depends on the type of DMM). This can be used to assess "before" and "after" capacitance when playing around with changes to top loading. Generally the higher capacitance obtained the better (so long as it does not include drooping outer ends!). > I used to run three top wires about 300mm apart but replaced these > with a single wire of the same diameter of each of the three (for > other reasons) and it seemed to make little difference. Was I doing > something wrong? The three wires should have been better, but probably by only a dB or so. Unless careful before and after tests were done then it could be difficult to pick any improvement. But on LF transmit, every dB helps ! > Also, if I run three top wires in parallel, should I join them at the far > end? Or perhaps I could join them so they make a single zig-zag > wire down the garden, back again and down again. Probably little difference, but it is practical to join them at the central node (top of the "up wire") and doing that avoids any voltage differences at top loading spacers. Bob ZL2CA