Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24454 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1999 11:25:50 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 11:25:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 2332 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1999 10:26:04 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 10:26:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 10xSzY-00032g-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:13:52 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.8.44]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 10xSzX-00032b-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:13:51 +0100 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mailserv.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA12225 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:19:18 +0200 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19990625122907.2e7ff5b8@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:29:07 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: ERP Calculations In-reply-to: References: <3.0.1.16.19990624180651.2f0fc7fc@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sender: At 10:17 25/06/99 +0100, G3XDV wrote: >ON7YD wrote: >> >> Pure mathematical the radiation resistance of a short (in wavelength) >> vertical monopole above a perfect ground is : >> >> Ra = 40 . Pi^2 . l^2 / L^2 >> ... >> The same vertical with a infinite top-capacitance has a radiation >> resistance of >> >> Ra = 160 . Pi^2 . l^2 / L^2 >> > >OK, so you agree with the Admiralty Handbook figure of 160 for a >perfect top section (the figure 40 you quote at the start must >assume that L is the =actual= height of a vertical antenna as the >effective height is half that of a Marconi with a perfect top). Of >course the figure of 160 must be corrected for effective height as >you suggest. The first formula (with 40) is valid for a short vertical monopole without any topload over a perfect ground, the second formula (with 160) is valid for a short vertical monopole with an infinite topload above a perfect ground. >So for any practical short Marconi, ERP is: >I^2 x 160 x pi^2 x effective height^2 divided by wavelength^2 Only if the topload is infinite, otherwise it will be less. >You mentioned the effect of an imperfect ground. Doesn't that just >come into the losses that reduce the current? That is what I thought so far, but some days ago I had a discussion about that with someone who has been professionaly involved in this matter and for him it was not that straightforward. So I would like know the opinions of the LF-group members. 73, Rik Rik Strobbe ON7YD rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be Villadreef 14 B-3128 Baal BELGIUM (JO20IX)