Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2235 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1999 06:48:44 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 06:48:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 13138 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1999 05:48:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 05:48:43 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 10xOZS-0000F5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:30:38 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from as-img-4.compuserve.com ([149.174.217.147] helo=spamgaad.compuserve.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 10xOZQ-0000F0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:30:37 +0100 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaad.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.1) id BAA25572 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:30:34 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:30:03 -0400 From: "Dave Sergeant" Subject: Re: LF: Noise from phone lines To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <199906250130_MC2-7ABE-BF1F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sender: >From Dave G3YMC An associated topic, not yet having hit us in the UK yet, but imminent, is the ADSL system for putting high speed internet at 1.5Mb/s down normal telephone lines. An excellent, though fairly technical, article on this and associated techniques appears in the IEE Electronics and Communications Engineering Journal, June 1999 issue, entitled 'High Speed Copper Access: a tutorial overview'. The article in particular discusses interference problems, to and from, amateur transmissions, and indicates that the designers do indeed take these interference problems seriously. Unfortunately they have not heard of 136kHz and state that amateur interference is not an issue with ADSL which only uses frequencies up to 1MHz or so! Some of the scenarios considered for the much faster (26Mb/s) VDSL system which is much further down the line for deployment however make me think that we will have big problems if these systems take off! I have not seen such open discussion of amateur matters in any official papers from the proponents of the PLT (data over mains) systems, which as we know have been shown to have serious QRM problems for the amateur bands. I wonder if the two parties do talk to each other!! 73s Dave G3YMC