Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3062 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1999 22:43:44 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 1999 22:43:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 1827 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1999 21:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 24 Jun 1999 21:43:55 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 10xH4O-0004DH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:30:04 +0100 Received: from mb06.swip.net ([193.12.122.210]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 10xH4N-0004DC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:30:03 +0100 Received: from s-257519 (dialup157-1-19.swipnet.se [130.244.157.19]) by mb06.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA17352 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:30:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <008f01bebe88$b387be40$b337f482@s-257519> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: SV: More on Rr Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:28:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sender: Hello, Mike Dennison wrote: >Further to my note on Radiation Resistance formulas, the highly >respected 160m expert ON4UN uses 1450 instead of "160 (or 60) >multiplied by pi squared" in his excellent book Low Band DXing. >This figure is lower than 160 x pi sq (1580) but nowhere near as low >as 60 x pi sq (592). I assume that he must have done some >practical measurements which gave him a better figure than that >calculated in the 1920s. Most antennas for the 160m band are much bigger than typical 136 kHz antennas in terms of wavelength. The current distribution is nearly sinusoidal but on 136 kHz only the last tiny bit of the "sine" is actually present on the antenna wire so it can be approximated as a linearly decreasing current (toward antenna end). This may explain the difference. The formula 1600 * L^2 / W^2 is valid but L is the so called effective height, not the physical heigth of the wire. In case of a pure vertical without top load, the effective height is physical height / 2 because the average current along the wire is feed current / 2. I agree with Rik Strobbe's explanation except for: >simplified for 136.75kHz this means that Ra (milli-Ohm) = 0.082 x l(meter) I would suggest: Ra (milli-Ohm) = 0.082 x l ^2 (meter squared) 73 de Johan, SM6LKM