Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28173 invoked from network); 28 Apr 1999 14:13:05 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 28 Apr 1999 14:13:05 +0100 Received: (qmail 21042 invoked from network); 28 Apr 1999 13:14:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (194.75.130.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 28 Apr 1999 13:14:11 -0000 Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10cU6d-0002cy-01; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:10:27 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA05446 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:10:00 GMT Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA05442 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:09:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net ([195.102.240.137]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10cU5p-0002c9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:09:37 +0100 Received: from rsgb.u-net.com ([195.102.80.225] helo=rsgb.org.uk) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 10cU5M-00032v-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:09:10 +0100 Received: from miked.rsgbhq [192.168.2.30] by rsgb.org.uk [192.168.2.132] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:02:01 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Organization: Radio Society of Great Britain To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:02:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: LF: DF3LP homepages, update... Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.1.16.19990428100407.080f61f6@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> References: <37262215.C0176325@nephro.uni-kiel.de> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Rik, ON7YD wrote re DF3LP's elevated feed antenna: > So the lower 12m of the vertical part is just a connection to the ground. > This might explain why the antenna is working so well and is not suffering > from too much loss in the three it is mounted in. > Until the lower part reaches the ground it will still radiate. It does not matter (except for engineering and matching reasons) where an antenna is fed - it still works the same. > In some way it also confirms the 'theory' that the goal of a good > LF-antenna is to bring as much 'power' as possible as high as possible. > According to this theory the ony function of the vertical part of the > antenna is to 'transport' the power to the top (and any radiation by the > vertical part could be considered as waste). > Hmmm. I think you need as much current as possible in as much of the vertical section as possible. The trouble with the conventional extremely short vertical is that the current drops off rapidly with the maximum at the bottom of the vertical section. In a conventional very short Marconi antenna this drop off will be approximately linear. If you add an elevated loading coil (often difficult for practical reasons) the current distribution is distorted to give more current higher up the mast. > An alternative way to look at it is to make a difference between the > creation of the electric and the magnetic field : > The electric field is created by voltage where the magnetic field is > created by current. > So the top-section of the antenna (all above the loading coil) has a high > voltage and there is a current flowing through it, so this section will > create an electric and a magnetic field. > But the 12m vertical section going from the loading coil down to the ground > is at zero voltage but it is possible that some current goes through it. Yes. Another advantage of the top inductive loading is that the horizontal wires (the capacitance) are immediately shifted in phase so that there is less cancelling out of the vertical radiation when the top wires are drooping. Without the coil, the top of the vertical is very nearly equal in phase and amplitude to the start of the drooping element, hence cancellation of some of the vertical component. I have tried several inverted-L configurations at several locations and have always found that a top inductance gives an improvement. This applies much more for very short antennas - at home my top section is less than 20m long. Ideally the whole antenna should be self-resonant, or slightly LF (ie no bottom loading coil, or even a capacitor) but I have not achieved this as lots of top L is needed. The snag is that it is difficult to engineer an efficient and light weight coil which will sit on top of a mast. I use a 3 litre cola bottle (made rigid by the method suggested by Rik - put in freezer with lid off, take out and screw lid on, then the pressure builds up inside as the air expands). I have streamlined the bottle by taping the funnel- shaped top from another bottle to the flat bottom of the first - so it has a top at each end! It is then wrapped with black tape as it looks silly when you have a cola bottle on a pole! It slips over the end of the fibreglass top section of the mast. Interestingly (but probably coincidentally), not only does DF3LP get out well but he hears well, too. Mike Dennison, G3XDV Publications Manager * RadCom * Ham Radio Today * RSGB Books * * GB2RS News * RSGB On-Line Web Site * Radio Society of Great Britain Lambda House, Cranborne Road Potters Bar, Herts UK, EN6 3JE E-mail: publications@rsgb.org.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1707 659015; Fax: +44 (0) 1707 645105 RSGB - UK AMATEUR RADIO