Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19602 invoked from network); 7 Mar 1999 14:21:05 -0000 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by medusa.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 7 Mar 1999 14:21:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 29805 invoked from network); 7 Mar 1999 14:22:42 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (194.75.130.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 7 Mar 1999 14:22:42 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from troy.blacksheep.org ([194.75.183.50] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10JeSr-0001OM-00; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:23:33 +0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA20324 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:20:09 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (root@post.unica.co.uk [194.75.183.70]) by troy.blacksheep.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA20282 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:18:06 GMT Received: from premium.inrete.it ([194.116.9.4] helo=mailer.inrete.it ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 10JeQl-0001Np-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:21:23 +0000 Received: from pc-lab (pcttym03.inrete.it [194.116.9.244]) by mailer.inrete.it (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00097 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:17:29 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990307151638.006f8ca0@mailer.inrete.it> X-Sender: spin@mailer.inrete.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 15:16:38 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "M. Bruno" Subject: Re: LF: Care and feeding of a top-loaded vertical In-reply-to: <199903070720.SAA28683@godzilla.zeta.org.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org At 18.24 07/03/99 +1100, Steve Olney wrote: >The questions I have are: >1. How do you measure the capacitance to ground to be able to calculate >the inductance of the loading coil? I doubt you can just attach a >capacitance meter between the base of the antenna and ground. I am >guessing that you just make an estimate and find the required inductance by >trial-and-error. > My personal experience is that many capacitance meter are fooled by the RF and noise pick up by the antenna. I solved the problem connecting the vertical in parallel to a fixed C and then measuring the difference. The fixed one was a couple of nF. Then I built an RF impedance bridge, and calibrated it on the bench, to be able to measure R(loss) and C(aerial). I had the same reading as with the capacitance meter. >2. Is it possible to connect a smaller *variable* inductance (about 10% of >the loading coil inductance) between the base of the antenna and the >grounded elevated radials to effect a convenient tuning arrangement? > It should be possible. I have a different arrangement, having a variometer at the base of the vertical and no inductance at the top, so no direct experience, but I see no particular problems to have, let say, 90% of the L on top and the remaining at the base. The current distribution should not vary too much. >3. Given the arrangement outlined in 2. above, is it possible to tap into >that smaller inductance at the base to effect matching to the 50 ohm line >or don't you get the transformer effect required because the major portion >of the inductance is elevated and not inductively coupled? > Again, I see no problems. Personally I forgot SWR and coupling ... my system has an input Z of about 35 Ohm (dry WX) to 50 Ohm (rain). The coax line is too short in terms of lambda to worry about SWR ! I directly go to the TX output. On what frequency do you expect to trasmit, and what ERP ... ? 73 de IK1ODO Marco Rivalta, ITALY JN35SA (N 45 01' 25.6", E 7 31' 09.4")