Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILINDA084-a4a49bf5e7923; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:25:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA012-a4a49bf5e7923; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:25:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LjUbw-0001Nm-Al for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:25:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LjUbv-0001Nd-3J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:25:19 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f164.google.com ([209.85.218.164]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjUbs-0000S3-9O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:25:19 +0000 Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so4248405bwz.4 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:25:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4NW9u0pqGdD3Hiva7KOZxRd8/Tf+JeBteqb46yb48po=; b=TE8COTsmZcD/EXGDbf09cdaOqTrsrv0c6peACC36xfdyq4o4NprABA8Z7WowoZieWc zXTHT3SRo+CA+6KpH7vGj+8VAVuSoI/Lp1smIvxgFaFZILm/IUFogN0iK27Kj5BPbYvf KO5lU1ZGMFmMQ0FF8Q+GpHOZL/UMiCT9yT/wg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=XKrkXRv6eyAzf2PrafVLZPIt6MLMpFqazKCfMgrmtaMQsj/gqfEiMtnbbdu5Dh0dir eKjdmBf+FLpGRdAbzqa4gZZ1ebvBXFILhaK7uh45LTj0YAKfSe0M3WUg+1fnEZP4y9+J mCOBa1F+dgVJffnoy59PHD5B50TJuR1mWfwf8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.124.10 with SMTP id s10mr1920279bkr.34.1237276509488; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:55:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <916F3329CAA846A19B450540FCC7E0AB@AGB> References: <009001c9a588$7eb02c60$6401a8c0@asus> <004501c9a623$a4bf81d0$6401a8c0@asus> <2ED02F4327204E3C903828F9E18AA72B@AGB> <001e01c9a665$ebeac870$6401a8c0@asus> <00be01c9a66e$c8bfdbc0$0900a8c0@AM> <004a01c9a677$2a8b48a0$6401a8c0@asus> <005101c9a679$df148f50$6401a8c0@asus> <916F3329CAA846A19B450540FCC7E0AB@AGB> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:55:09 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Syncback software Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a826d6466904654be230 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d251.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636c5a826d6466904654be230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Easily, all you need is a five second transmission of carrier at xx:05:25 xx:20:25 etc But accurate timing to at least one second accuracy is essential, so the PC clock will have to be set continuously. Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com 2009/3/16 Graham > Andy, > > Is there any way the slots could be filled using a pc ... ? if a small ex= e > could be run to make a cw pulse then that would be no problem ? > > G .. > > *From:* Andy Talbot > *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2009 9:36 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: RE: Syncback software > > See you just have - got quite a shock until I realised the noise had > plummeted as well. > Any takers for the 5 and 6 minute slots? > > Andy G4JNT > www.g4jnt.com > > > 2009/3/16 Gary - G4WGT > >> *Andy,* >> >> ** >> >> *OK, I will insert an attenuator at the antenna socket (that=92s an easy >> move) & watch how it performs. It is switched at 10dB steps so I will sta= rt >> at 10db of course.* >> >> ** >> >> *Cheers,* >> >> ** >> >> *Gary.* >> >> ** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: >> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *On Behalf Of *Andy Talbot >> *Sent:* 16 March 2009 20:45 >> >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Subject:* Re: LF: RE: Syncback software >> >> >> >> Doesn't matter which - just total system gain. That S/W works best if th= e >> noise threshold rides at about 10dB above the baseline, then it allows f= or >> up to 70 - 80dB of signal peaks. >> >> >> Andy G4JNT >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> 2009/3/16 Gary - G4WGT >> >> Alan, >> >> When you wrote :- >> >> my only comment is that you may have too much gain in the system. >> >> Are you meaning sound card or receiver gain? >> >> Gary. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Alan Melia >> Sent: 16 March 2009 19:38 >> >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Syncback software >> >> Hi Gary my only comment is that you may have too much gain in the system.= . >> It >> is sometimes better to have the noise further down nearer the axis. >> >> I am afraid there is a major problem with this kind of beacon, when the >> fading period is shorter than the sampling interval, so you dont really >> know >> what the path is doing. The only reliable points are the peaks, the >> troughs >> dont really mean anything without some very sophisticated analysis and >> probably two spaced receivers. However it does give a snapshot of the ban= d >> without taking up too much bandwidth (this was what was required for 5MHz >> too). Despite all the data collected very little analysis has actually be >> done on the 5MHz data collected by this program. The one succesfull bit o= f >> work was that published in Radcom by Marcis Walden G0IJZ. I used it for >> some >> time whilst Andy was testing the Poldhu beacon on 160m and also during th= e >> 1st two months that ran. I was certainly surprised by the daytime path on >> 160m from here. I have seen the data collected in Canada via Joe Craig >> VO1NA >> and it is difficult to see how to use it. >> >> Still if you dont collect the data you will never know!! >> >> Alan G3NYK >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gary - G4WGT" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:35 PM >> Subject: RE: LF: RE: Syncback software >> >> >> > Hi Graham, LF, >> > >> > >> > >> > The original HTML Code for the 2 minute refresh is still inserted into >> the >> > page format, so upload is 30 minute intervals with Syncback & 2 minute >> > refresh. I have left the refresh in case I revert back to the original >> > grabber page. I will look at changing it if I continue to use the beaco= n >> > chart upload. >> > >> > >> > >> > I would like to have feedback from the LF group regarding the page, if >> you >> > check it out periodically, is it useful to you, what are you looking >> for. >> > >> > >> > >> > You can view the chart on my web site at :- >> > >> > >> > >> > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber3.html >> > >> > >> > >> > 73 >> > >> > >> > >> > Gary - G4WGT. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _____ >> > >> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham >> > Sent: 16 March 2009 17:20 >> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > Subject: Re: LF: RE: Syncback software >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi Gary, >> > >> > >> > >> > The page seemed to refresh quite often ... are there two settings ? >> > >> > >> > >> > G .. >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Gary - G4WGT >> > >> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:40 AM >> > >> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > >> > Subject: RE: LF: RE: Syncback software >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi Graham, LF, >> > >> > >> > >> > You wrote :- >> > >> > >>>Upload is set at 5 minute intervals and auto refresh at 2 minute >> > intervals. <<< that could be backed off to 15 mins as the beacon only >> > sends every 15 ?? >> > >> > >> > >> > I mentioned in my previous mail to ignore the text on the page as it wa= s >> > originally for grabber 1 for when I upgrade the web site (to a new >> design >> & >> > better navigation etc), also mentioned is that upload is every 30 >> minutes. >> > >> > >> > >> > If the uploaded chart proves useful or interesting to operators & >> viewers >> > then I will change the text & make it a permanent feature for the >> > foreseeable future. >> > >> > >> > >> > BTW :- >> > >> > >> > >> > For those of you who are not familiar with the chart - >> > >> > >> > >> > The RED trace is Andy's (G4JNT) beacon signal & the BLACK trace is the >> noise >> > level at my QTH. >> > >> > >> > >> > The Blue & GREEN are not in use & should be ignored on this chart as >> they >> > are for the other beacons used when monitoring on the 5MHz allocation. >> > >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > >> > >> > Gary - G4WGT >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _____ >> > >> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham >> > Sent: 15 March 2009 22:17 >> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > Subject: Re: LF: RE: Syncback software >> > >> > >> > >> > Gary.. >> > >> > >> > >> > That looks good ... 0500 looks best time for a qso .. see you then >> Smile >> > emoticon >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Upload is set at 5 minute intervals and auto refresh at 2 minute >> > intervals. <<< that could be backed off to 15 mins as the beacon only >> > sends every 15 ?? >> > >> > >> > >> > the 15 db over the noise in day time is the same at this qth .. looks >> like >> > the big dips round 1900 where just when we where testing .. typical >> hihi >> > >> > >> > >> > tnx- G .. >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Gary - G4WGT >> > >> > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:55 PM >> > >> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > >> > Subject: LF: RE: Syncback software >> > >> > >> > >> > LF, >> > >> > >> > >> > I have now got the software, Syncback running correctly (I think). >> > >> > >> > >> > The purpose of this is to upload the chart from Andy's beacon as >> received >> > here to my web site periodically, ie. every 30 minutes. >> > >> > >> > >> > I now have a receiver running 24/7 monitoring Andy,s beacon on 503.7KHz= . >> > >> > >> > >> > You can view the chart on my web site at :- >> > >> > >> > >> > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber3.html >> > >> > >> > >> > For the moment ignore the text on the page as it is originally designed >> to >> > use with the 500KHz grabber when I renew my web site design. If it is a >> > useful upload I will make it a permanent feature but may have to extend >> the >> > frequency coverage of grabber 1 so not to overload the PC with >> operations >> > which will cause the PC to struggle. >> > >> > >> > >> > Let me have your comments please. >> > >> > >> > >> > 73 >> > >> > >> > >> > Gary - G4WGT. >> > >> > >> > >> > _____ >> > >> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT >> > Sent: 15 March 2009 16:10 >> > To: LF -RSGB LF Group >> > Subject: LF: Syncback software >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi LF, >> > >> > >> > >> > If anyone is using Syncback software & can help, please. >> > >> > >> > >> > I am tying to upload a file to my website who's filename does not >> change, >> > only the file size changes. I tried to do it with Argo-upload but faile= d >> so >> > I downloaded Syncback & still failing. >> > >> > >> > >> > Syncback gives me the following message :- >> > >> > >> > >> > ********************************** >> > >> > Can connect, but unable to change to destination directory: >> > >> > /chart01.bmp:not a directory >> > >> > ********************************** >> > >> > The Syncback help does not give me the answer. >> > >> > >> > >> > Any help will be appreciated >> > >> > >> > >> > Or >> > >> > >> > >> > Will Argo-Upload do it? >> > >> > >> > >> > Or >> > >> > >> > >> > Is there something else to do it? >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks in anticipation, >> > >> > >> > >> > 73, >> > >> > >> > >> > Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. >> > >> > >> > >> > _____ >> > >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: >> 03/14/09 >> > 06:54:00 >> > >> > _____ >> > >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date: >> 03/15/09 >> > 14:07:00 >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 03/16/09 > 07:04:00 > > --001636c5a826d6466904654be230 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Easily, all you need is a five second transmission of carrier at xx:05:= 25 xx:20:25 etc
But accurate timing to at least one second accuracy is essential, so th= e PC clock will have to be set continuously.

Andy =A0G4JNT
www= .g4jnt.com


2009/3/16 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
Andy,
=A0
Is there any way the=A0 slots could be=20= filled using a pc ... ? if a small exe could be run to=A0 make a cw=A0 pulse= then that would be no problem ?
=A0
G ..


See you just have - got quite a shock until I realised the noise had pl= ummeted as well.
Any takers for the 5 and 6 minute slots?
2009/3/16 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk= >

Andy,

<= /b>=A0

OK, I will inse= rt an attenuator at the antenna socket (that=92s an easy move) & watch h= ow it performs. It is switched at 10dB steps so I will start at 10db of cour= se.

<= /b>=A0

Cheers,<= /font>

<= /b>=A0

Gary.

<= /b>=A0

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf=20= Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 16 March 2009 20:45=20


To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
Subject: Re: LF:=20= RE: Syncback software

=A0

Doesn't matter which - just total system gain.=A0 That S/W works best i= f the noise threshold rides at about 10dB above the baseline,=A0 then it all= ows for up to 70 - 80dB of signal peaks.

<= span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
Andy =A0G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com

2009/3/16 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>

Alan,

When you wrote :-

<= span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">my only comment is that you may have too much= gain in the system.

Are you meaning sound card or receiver gain?

Gary.



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= /a>

[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Alan Melia
Sent= : 16 March 2009 19:38

<= span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF= : RE: Syncback software

Hi Gary my only comment is that you may have too much gain in the system= . It
is sometimes better to have the noise further down nearer the axis..=

I am afraid there is a major problem with this kind of beacon, when=20= the
fading period is shorter than the sampling interval, so you dont really know=
what the path is doing. The only reliable points are the peaks, the trou= ghs
dont really mean anything without some very sophisticated analysis an= d
probably two spaced receivers. However it does give a snapshot of the bandwithout taking up too much bandwidth (this was what was required for 5MHz<= br>too). Despite all the data collected very little analysis has actually be=
done on the 5MHz data collected by this program. The one succesfull bit ofwork was that published in Radcom by Marcis Walden G0IJZ. I used it for so= me
time whilst Andy was testing the Poldhu beacon on 160m and also during= the
1st two months that ran. I was certainly surprised by the daytime path on160m from here. I have seen the data collected in Canada via Joe Craig VO1N= A
and it is difficult to see how to use it.

Still if you dont coll= ect the data you will never know!!

Alan G3NYK




----- Original Message -----
From: &quo= t;Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:35 PM
Subject: RE: LF: RE: Syncback softwa= re


> Hi Graham, LF,
>
>
>
> The origin= al HTML Code for the 2 minute refresh is still inserted into the
> pag= e format, so upload is 30 minute intervals with Syncback & 2 minute
> refresh. I have left the refresh in case I revert back to the original<= br>> grabber page. I will look at changing it if I continue to use the be= acon
> chart upload.
>
>
>
> I would like to h= ave feedback from the LF group regarding the page, if you
> check it out periodically, is it useful to you, what are you looking fo= r.
>
>
>
> You can view the chart on my web site at=20= :-
>
>
>
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/g= rabber3.html
>
>
>
> 73
>
>
>
> Gary - G4WGT= .
>
>
>
>
>
> =A0 _____
>
>=20= From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
&= gt; Sent: 16 March 2009 17:20
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Syncback software
>
>
>
>=20= Hi Gary,
>
>
>
> The page seemed to =A0refresh quite= often ... are there two settings ?
>
>
>
> G ..
>
>
>
> From: Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
><= br>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:40 AM
>
> To: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org
>
> Subject: RE: LF: RE: Syncback software
>
>
><= br>> Hi Graham, LF,
>
>
>
> You wrote :-
><= br>> >>>Upload is set at 5 minute intervals and auto refresh at=20= 2 minute
> intervals. <<< that could be backed off to =A015 mins as the b= eacon only
> sends every 15 ??
>
>
>
> I menti= oned in my previous mail to ignore the text on the page as it was
> or= iginally for grabber 1 for when I upgrade the web site (to a new design
&
> better navigation etc), also mentioned is that upload is every= 30 minutes.
>
>
>
> If the uploaded chart proves us= eful or interesting to operators & viewers
> then I will change th= e text & make it a permanent feature for the
> foreseeable future.
>
>
>
> BTW :-
>
&= gt;
>
> For those of you =A0who are not familiar with the chart=20= -
>
>
>
> The RED trace is Andy's (G4JNT) beacon= signal & the BLACK trace is the
noise
> level at my QTH.
>
>
>
> The Blue &= ; GREEN are not in use & should be ignored on this chart as they
>= are for the other beacons used when monitoring on the 5MHz allocation.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Gary -=20= G4WGT
>
>
>
>
>
> =A0 _____
>
&= gt; From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
&= gt; Sent: 15 March 2009 22:17
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Syncback software
>
>
>
>=20= Gary..
>
>
>
> That looks good =A0... 0500 looks bes= t time for a qso .. see you then Smile
> emoticon
>
>
>
> >>>Upload is set at 5 minute intervals and auto refres= h at 2 minute
> intervals. <<< that could be backed off to=20= =A015 mins as the beacon only
> sends every 15 ??
>
>
>
> the =A015 db over the noise in day time is the =A0same at this=20= qth .. looks
like
> the big dips round 1900 =A0where just when we w= here testing .. =A0typical hihi
>
>
>
> tnx- G .. >
>
>
> From: Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
><= br>> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:55 PM
>
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
>
> Subject: LF: RE: Syncback software
>
>
>
&= gt; LF,
>
>
>
> I have now got the software, Syncbac= k running correctly (I think).
>
>
>
> The purpose o= f this is to upload the chart from Andy's beacon as received
> here to my web site periodically, ie. every 30 minutes.
>
>=
>
> I now have a receiver running 24/7 monitoring Andy,s beacon= on 503.7KHz.
>
>
>
> You can view the chart on my w= eb site at :-
>
>
>
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber= 3.html
>
>
>
> For the moment ignore the text on= the page as it is originally designed to
> use with the 500KHz grabber when I renew my web site design. If it is a=
> useful upload I will make it a permanent feature but may have to ex= tend
the
> frequency coverage of grabber 1 so not to overload the P= C with operations
> which will cause the PC to struggle.
>
>
>
> Le= t me have your comments please.
>
>
>
> 73
>>
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
> =A0 ___= __
>
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
> Sent: 15 March 2009 16:10
> To: LF -RSGB LF Group
> Subject= : LF: Syncback software
>
>
>
> Hi LF,
>
&g= t;
>
> If anyone is using Syncback software & can help, plea= se.
>
>
>
> I am tying to upload a file to my website who&#= 39;s filename does not change,
> only the file size changes. I tried t= o do it with Argo-upload but failed
so
> I downloaded Syncback &= ; still failing.
>
>
>
> Syncback gives me the following message :-
&= gt;
>
>
> **********************************
>
&g= t; Can connect, but unable to change to destination directory:
>
> /chart01.bmp:not a directory
>
> **************************= ********
>
> The Syncback help does not give me the answer.
&= gt;
>
>
> Any help will be appreciated
>
>
>
> Or
>
>
>
> Will Argo-Upload do it?
&= gt;
>
>
> Or
>
>
>
> Is there some= thing else to do it?
>
>
>
> Thanks in anticipation,=
>
>
>
> 73,
>
>
>
> Gary - G4WG= T - IO83QP.
>
>
>
> =A0 _____
>
>
>= ; No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/14= /09
> 06:54:00
>
> =A0 _____
>
>
> No vi= rus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date: 03/15= /09
> 14:07:00
>
>


=A0


<= /div>


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Vers= ion: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 03/16/09 07:04= :00


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