Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh10.mx.aol.com (rly-mh10.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.146]) by air-mh04.mail.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH043-bfc49a6c0ab216; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:18:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh10.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH104-bfc49a6c0ab216; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:17:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Lciul-0005yl-3M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:16:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Lciuk-0005yc-JM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:16:46 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f164.google.com ([209.85.218.164]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lciuj-00010w-Ku for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:16:46 +0000 Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so750911bwz.4 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:16:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wVkSv9NZoBwC5eYcphFhG9brWxPiyCdY7PoRwaEdxZk=; b=cpk70FrZo/EaMZOPb5JHIQVmB/nrM7G028t9SCCH0xAKS1egqUSbrV2MqbeYcrrzvC 3P8yXkAy7FxzCkVtY9HBKxcU1WcqYjUL9sQ94oK8FcL3zEfW5kDX2PdcrwYlKeVV7Mt+ rgamVC33JjzOu3snNicDgs8P5BM7jnzztk7Kw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=V4pp+rolHDGy7mpVJE7RMWO6ocY/O9wMXCFygPvQRexWf0nrkFvNF0ToXhUNvneDgx xCRXkT/qN3MSbdrOEIOkx67C4mx440brcuNRb76AXkXKm/bQzHI/gXQBcE0croU2u4OT +E9aawOK6Gq7kmKUXXBvI3Tl7HS75UuYAQfO4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.114.208 with SMTP id f16mr2239146faq.91.1235664999032; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:16:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:16:38 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LF Antennas - back to basics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m204.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Having now been encouraged by being decoded now by at least two US stations, was wondering how much improvement in efficiency I could scrape out of my existing antenna. It is a Marconi Tee, the vertical element consisting of three wires from the base tapering to 200mm spacing at the top. There it is attached to the centre of a a capacity hat 15m long and 200mm wide made of three parallel wires. The ground system is a bit haphazard in my 7m wide by 12m long garden, with about 4 wires meeting at the base of the antenna meandering around the garden, starting off in different directions from teh base. They are all connected to substantial ground rods in heavy clay at their far points, a with a few randomly spaced rods in between (I used several 1m lengths of 15mm water pipe as well as proper rods - there is probably about 9 or 10 rods in total, mostly 1 - 2m in length - can't remember that far back! Some of the earth conductors were also bonded to the house wiring by a couple of substantial straps, and even inside the house I added more straps at strategic places. I also ensured there was a good fat cable run directly under as much of the capacity hat as possible. As a test, disconnecting the PME earthing bond and measuring the DC resistance between my total set of connections and the incoming conductor ground/neutral point, the value was a pretty consistent 3 ohms. Haven't done this test for a few years, but at the last check it was still of this order. Back in the 73kHz days a number of (mostly big!) stations were surprised my signal was as strong as it was for probably the smallest antenna in use then; G3LDO put it down to the fact I had concentrated plenty of earthing wire to run directly under the top-hat. But, its all 14 years old, still OK, but hopefully there's a wealth of experience now, and I wonder if there are obvious improvements that could be made: Firstly, bearing in mind there is no scope whatsoever to raise one end of the capacity hat which is defined by the apex of the house roof, and the other end would also need some major sugery to raise its heigh substantially, that only leaves the middle, ie the height of the actual radiator. It wouldn't be too difficult to raise this to 10m or even more with a fibreglass pole, but will I be throwing away all the advantage by having the top-hat drooping down to 7m? Secondly, pictures of other peoples antennas aften show a substantial grounding plate immediately under and around the antenna base. Just how far out is is worth going with a really substantial base. I could cut more conductors into the ground; while the ground is still is still soggy in March may be a good time to do this. Any ideas please ...? Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com