Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-adc49a2723e1b5; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:54:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB082-adc49a2723e1b5; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:54:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LbXV6-0006kc-8y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:53:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LbXV5-0006kT-Sb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:53:23 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f164.google.com ([209.85.218.164]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LbXV4-0004qY-Rq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:53:23 +0000 Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so5318688bwz.4 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:53:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=v4ZgkfzsUhEubpK7U3WmTycFszhi8EenWLbi1BiqGeQ=; b=uoGgXCCOeWrhFNB7fMg7rIL1UzhmzeGCEQQVJMPWwGzQccrdW1DD4EZpdy6MCjvmha en0bwn+TBWLYTyI+kAEwKvnfHz/8Hb4RngAeGBg8IV2Hj+J12TRxTq03n4RtujF6f7gM sdbjSgavHjbrOcj6cIeeDrF/DwUOkknbJeiVs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=gIYNfTsiXLGhfkmSMm2KjoKmj8QF+LQI+Bf9PQOvs5UaXNzZzZrTvjCL6L21cgbU5H wKdX0m0T+b2QaWzIdXGS0/atpXPTW0QfNHXs0uS/vQ5ft94undyBs9of3IPbUgeqBGh2 H5hFfQX/hI8Ho7lLWE9mOt8u+RRP+KNx9KeiA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.117.1 with SMTP id o1mr4214154faq.53.1235382793348; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:53:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:53:13 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: WSPRing and programmed ERPs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d280.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Switched off at 0630 this morning, but unfortunately, according to the database, no exotic receptions heard - just the usual culprits 'ISM and XVL! I see G4WGT was transmitting until around 2350 and note your quoted power was 37dBm. I thought we had agreed that for WSPR transmissions on the LF bands, the power entered in the WSPR message would reflect (to at least a reasonable approximation) ERP and not RF power. Hence my use of a ridiculous figure (53dBm) when sending at very low power on Saturday. Only certain power levels seem to be permissible - presumably those in the pull-down menu in WSPR.EXE (windoze version) and there appear to be 19. While playing with WSPR.EXE (command line version) to generate teh tone codes for my PIC /DDS combination, any value power level could be entered, but when the subsequent symbol set was decoded, the software threw up a {bad message] indicator instead of LOC and PWR. Presumably, this makes for 20 stored power settings. Its a pity that an illegal power setting kills the LOC info as well, as the {bad message} code would otherwise have been a good way to show a variable or non specified power level. Back to ERP vs. RF: Legal values range from 0 to 60dBm, ie 1mW to 1kW. While this is an ideal range for HF use where the power levels are unlikely to be exceeded at either end (except by 'JNT on Friday on 10MHz with -2dBm, programmed as 0) only a subset of values cover the expected range of ERPs on LF - 0dBm to (now) 40dBm. To allow for QRP LF stations, can I suggest the values above 40dBm are used as follows to reflect ERPs from -20 to 0dBm Actual ERP = Stored value - 60 So if your ERP is below 0dBm, you programme a value of ERP + 60 into your message. This gives a discontinuity, and makes a nonsense of the MEPTSpot website's ordering in terms of power or km per Watt To save the discontinuity, another alternative would be to shift the entire code-set by 20dB to reflect tens of microWatts rather than milliwatts. So now the total range would run from -20dBm = "0" to +40dBm = "40" Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com