Return-Path: Received: from rly-df10.mx.aol.com (rly-df10.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.23]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-58549395575206; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:23:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df10.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF108-58549395575206; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:23:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1L8dSM-0003Rr-Et for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:23:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1L8dSM-0003Ri-21 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:23:06 +0000 Received: from mail-qy0-f21.google.com ([209.85.221.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L8dSK-0003W2-VC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:23:06 +0000 Received: by qyk14 with SMTP id 14so132619qyk.4 for ; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:22:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=1BvK3aCOCPXAGaKzpqujRW/VIbnNHwOlnUZyt6GghoY=; b=NSc4gjqpAPUQ95s8aCP/hKReFkZeUqaLhwN/2267xX6NXudYEV8X680NaOWWAmcvVo KkRL7RGGOIu8eT80I+v27q8nQjI4H4dmRLDiA9ywdyz9CEOFLVT1no+Vg2wOPB5Anlr9 oY2XPRQMNCk7r/ol3ac5C8leRqZCxtL+FCpeE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=pLP6oXRcf5MYMFL5lanV3GxCi/VpnqfJeQzX8rNZ8kHM9CN2RkbWwjMnDjAFCjiyEc rOAjFa/7drZnImrXS2bC/5S1XY1SFar0EsdvTDE7TUMrQiUNvbAr4wAgE5OVT7eHlSeU CkMGSwjRFkmRuMoAJe8K36dBJauWM2jkzvsIk= Received: by 10.214.218.12 with SMTP id q12mr288435qag.220.1228494176916; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:22:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.44.9 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:22:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:22:56 +0000 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: E field active antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m234.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Having just had to make an active antenna for HF (for gainful employment-type work, not Am. radio purposes. The commercially made one we've ordered is on five weeks delivery and it was needed before yesterday) I was wondering about a helical element. As the thing had to be resonably lightweight, I made the antenna element from copper tape on 15mm plastic water pipe rather than use a solid copper tube. Just for a bit of novelty I wound the tape in a helix, but then started wondering if doing that would make any difference to performance. Normally, helically winding an antenna (rubber duck type at V/UHF) only serves to distribute loading inductance into a short antenna to make it resonate - unlikely to change improve the loss terms at all. But I did wonder if the added extra inductance, or increased conductor length (not element length - that is 1.2m) would change the performance significantly from a straight tube. Does anyone have any ideas - food for thought if nothing else? The base amplifier is one I've used several times before for V/LF up to HF based around a J310 source follower running at 20mA with bootstrapped input followed by a 2N5109 emiter follower at Ic = 80mA. I may have published it way-back-when in the amateur press in the 73kHz days. Not the best design judging by some of those published in more recent years, but did mean all the components were to hand for an instant job. Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt