Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC081-b2d4925940a274; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:45:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC071-b2d4925940a274; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:45:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1L3Cdz-0006dy-5F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:44:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1L3Cdy-0006dp-Nk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:44:38 +0000 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.148]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L3Cdx-0007Vq-EL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:44:38 +0000 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so101702qwc.16 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:44:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=PE4qeLNcR3yQtp5YctWghBWsDFqElWv1vywqb7zl4Sc=; b=GF+/uYwfa5CKvLff2SO08hj6gMjmgaMz4cnkrkZFwv9EGXyzlg/EGWrV6bkNX0TxZG eXK3JPcNX3VXM3rTpbxAWrZxPBHYX0y74sBmXgOk74Rg6m72sdk9XYLsd9gGfj0XdNDg mbaaS4ln6a2+nUZiQH6r9fBsV4B1/Ul0U/QUQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=jYYwDgboIRW12VH30hvqiZzRb8fYJSGdrohjMJoF58uKYtw+HTjiNB6X9Ahh5jIKxi yTaT4zy5lToOWlsVaYt92dfCar9mZ1mMiZvWLKpuxqQNWzqvRTQdK4goLbjbHkWJWspA ZLOe8hc6NPRtq17GRZ8g3xksPciY6Uzwdoe6Q= Received: by 10.214.60.13 with SMTP id i13mr2542614qaa.213.1227199475054; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:44:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.216.1 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:44:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:44:35 +0000 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1227193859.49257e0306cc6@imp.netikka.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <001e01c94a77$cc1fa780$a402a8c0@Inspiron> <004e01c94a9c$dddbe860$0900a8c0@AM> <1227166876.4925149c95ec8@imp.netikka.net> <49251A7B.6050603@telia.com> <1227193859.49257e0306cc6@imp.netikka.net> X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 3C85/90 Toroids Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d268.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : 1 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Yes that's correct. The Txxx is a size designation, -2 is iron powder mix 2, suited for MF to low HF. For SMPSU / LF transformers Siemens N80 material is a substitute for 3C85 / 3C90.(hope I've remembered the No. correctly !) Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt 2008/11/20 Paul-Henrik : > I forgot to mention one important thing in my last reply: > > From the earlier discussions on this subject I got the impression that T130-3 > and T200-2 cores were suggested as alternatives to the 3C85/3C90. > > The mixes #2 and #3 are powder iron, not ferrite as the 3F3 and 3C85/3C90. I > beleive they are poorly suited as power transformers on LF/MF but make good > inductors for low-pass filters on 136 and 500kHz. This is true at least for the > #2 mix. On 500kHz I remember seeing reports of severe LPF heating with the #3 > mix, I will have to check again on that. > > Some of the gurus please correct me if I'm wrong here. I just wanted to press > the "pause and think again" button before someone possibly orders inductor > cores to use for a transformer. > > I'm still a beginner/learner in this game, the above is just how I see things > today. > > 73's > > Paul-Henrik > > > Quoting "Johan H. Bodin" : > >> Yes, 3F3 is even better than 3C85/3C90 for power transformation at a few >> hundred >> kHz. The 3F3 cores, if coloured, are light blue. Philips sold their ferrite >> business to Ferroxcube: http://www.ferroxcube.com/ >> >> 73 >> Johan SM6LKM >> >> >> Paul-Henrik wrote: >> > Have a look at Ferroxcube (Philips) cores of 3F3 material. As far as I can >> > interpret datasheets for these, they should work fairly well as >> transformers up >> > to 500kHz with a DC component and up to 1MHz without DC. >> >> > > > > > > > >