Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v119.12) with ESMTP id MAILINDC064-b474714684f107; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:29:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v119.12) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC103-b474714684f107; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:29:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1IhgrN-0007ad-8u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:29:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1IhgrM-0007aU-EU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:29:00 +0100 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.178]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IhgrK-00009J-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:29:00 +0100 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so3621130pyi for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:28:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=fp2uhZZ3qPoUB1mGak7wJEYnAS+gx7WAMwd+UrlJy0o=; b=uOG7dcOloq9vFUIijr7iPapUBGUyld5uT33x0l53wmDH6zu0sG4wZva8tFRR6n89otguSlt5t7CoYufPat+a9wjNlsJy5N5Wqb3qDEGg6x8xjtyQfh9uR/RlM9ETp24kMyGeqJZ06JIZl9eW8vU8kr+9ZlGG3Lz1TYwt8l7t7kw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=boL0gvdCYEom0f6VWSZfb+dOULlmbXu4aDltdsumhpSSenewt1zv26wfZ8O/EHAhu4odbzzMSfC59mMFPrz0NPNkk7+NVmAFZ3RHS4beUrKYvl0ao87rSTxwJopVNXij3UgGbeW7HDwNL/U4P/r9i8FrpeirKvmg5mxleud+5bg= Received: by 10.35.79.3 with SMTP id g3mr8788825pyl.1192519736099; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.107.12 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:28:55 +0100 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <011801c80f6d$0b4cbed0$63286a58@wgt01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <002701c80f2d$c1087100$0964a8c0@gusham2mq8wmls> <001201c80f56$71513290$0e00000a@AGB> <005201c80f62$6caa4950$0e00000a@AGB> <00d501c80f66$65b794f0$63286a58@wgt01> <007e01c80f6a$e060f620$0e00000a@AGB> <011801c80f6d$0b4cbed0$63286a58@wgt01> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Olivia data test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I've been watching with interest the use of the narrow versions of the various data modes being used on the 500kHz band, and anyone who reads RadCom will see the mention I made in the Data Column last month of the parallel FSK and PSK31 trials.. Joe Taylor, K1JT has written a suite of programmes using multi-frequency FSK coupled with heavy source coding and forward error correction for extreme weak signal communications on VHF through to Microwaves, especially targetted at Tropo, EME and Meteor scatter. I mention it on this reflector as he has now introduced two new embryonic modes (JT2 and JT4) that include narrow shift options (a few tens of Hz overall) that may be well-suited to MF communications. I suggest a visit to his web site to read up on the modes and techniques he employs, and download the latest version of WSJT. The main web page doesn't mention JT2 / JT4, but the beta version at 5.9.8 is detailed in the links shown here, and experimenters are invited to download an try it out. There is quite a lot of description and theory supplied, and makes for a fascinating read! The heavy error correction and redundancy adds considerably to the weak signal capability. Main WSJT site http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/ JT2/4 description http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/JT2_JT4.TXT Download latest WSJT software http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSJT598.EXE I implemented direct DDS-generated JT65B on the GB3VHF 2m beacon a couple of years ago, and the mode is now being used on the GB3RAL 40/50/60/70.05MHz beacon family. Details of GB3VHF can be found on my web page shown below. Reception reports all agree on the mode's extreme weak signal capability and a major improvenment over CW alone. It will be interesting to see if the narrow band versions have anything to offer the lower end of the spectrum. Be aware though, the JT modes do rely on quite accurate timing, and PC clocks need to be set to within a second or two of each other. Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt