Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILINMD051-90a46fcd07227a; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:59:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD062-90a46fcd07227a; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:59:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1IbCcU-0001NN-3o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:58:50 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1IbCcT-0001NE-KV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:58:49 +0100 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.177]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IbCcQ-0007tj-S2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:58:49 +0100 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so5083382pyi for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:58:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=I9+26WS+UEiknyE9/AFMQJbV/SvlQ+935DcY2BGDsFQ=; b=CMntR5KlrIIgrDM8ipfgoXnTiwYwM7eKMuMnE9RW5cun55ejMoVs6VVPjAHXGgMi4OOyLhBjXKy34XgW7rg0KYvk0gUppMmSe6v2NTU0tTJhetZucg53LtVnwZrKRqqX7cfV/Bp2RDM4xYVeUGKtzhxNGFovfXoBJwm+59Jv+PA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TJIBMEKICcvIxjDmsVu9Yp5g9HEhSJ/xlGZ1TiPfxiUImutp49AL8Ucepg7+UhpbyCDo401+AoefOtkVUbo74VdN/ZMIz2QvFpSoJMyhid8xumSoJs+oaSf6suJ5jh6axXkZIYmaJWLzyzYopnprh3ROuT7ZOXx/XE1RUnRsR94= Received: by 10.35.49.4 with SMTP id b4mr3272918pyk.1190973523925; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.107.12 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:58:43 +0100 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000601c801ae$38cc27a0$0fee1a52@enigma> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000a01c80132$aae29df0$83e41a52@enigma> <46FC071D.2090202@w1tag.com> <000601c801ae$38cc27a0$0fee1a52@enigma> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: A question of calibration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) There appear to be two meanings to the term "far field" when applied to antennas. One is usually reserved for electrically LARGE antennas and is the point where the wavefront can be considered to be planar. This distance is usually taken to be 2.D^2/lambda, where D = largest antenna dimension and lambda = wavelength. For electrically small antennas, the "far field" is beyond where the magnetic and electric components (which roll off faster than the 1 / R^2 of the radiation field) can be considered to be insignificant. This value is usually taken as being lambda / (2.pi) Andy G4JNT FOr LF field strength measurement On 28/09/2007, Malcolm Harman wrote: > John. > > Fascinating stuff and all your are papers duly saved. I sort of knew PA0SE > must be right and while E/H = 377 ohms between the Helmholtz coils, we have > to go to the far field of an antenna before a "plane" wave is sufficiently > well formed and once again E/H = 377 ohms. Thanks for the clarification. > > 73 Malcolm. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Andrews" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:40 PM > Subject: Re: LF: A question of calibration > > > > Malcolm, > > > >> Hi. Can anyone reassure me. > > > > Be reassured. Your meter is measuring the magnetic field, and the > > calibration setup is primarily generating a magnetic field. The cal is > > being done under near-field conditions to permit the use of low power and > > take advantage of knowing the mag field accurately based on geometry and > > current measurement. The scale conversion to electric field remains valid > > as long as you agree to take your real measurements under far-field > > conditions. > > > > A further discussion of calibration techniques including a simpler > > arrangement than Helmholtz coils may be found at: > > http://www.w1tag.com/LF_FSM.htm > > > > John Andrews, W1TAG > > > > > > > >