X-GM-THRID: 1237168872806695230 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs280757hue; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.19.13 with SMTP id w13mr755569ugi.1179857313942; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 13si1644948ugb.2007.05.22.11.08.30; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqYjS-0007w7-E7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 19:05:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqYjR-0007vy-S7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 19:05:13 +0100 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.226]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqYjO-0001lH-PF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 19:05:13 +0100 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i29so212127wxd for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:05:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LJhfvMLEd0pY4cinp0T1YXkIWHzRI6net+gEZ4UvW5FOLnN6L3kTD2HOOoBbpMbuyQK1TFKzIQ3/reAbj4LIDX66cVRUruKSayrjYTqkymugQ+g3MN7Xxu8aizary6TE0Y42XsVUL8GoCxOCsGuChKY8kqdQVCGKJ80+3g9JAik= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FeJK2Xug6xKLL6vVCT1bdmdhwvgWo/WfgwwXV0qKtzabpCTnovdFw4x9N2oEo6J0US74J7TyeExciE7ZYjexVkmlc7dgv4u2hVn+SCkdCJfxw6tm5M44zTyz2p6qqtr4uMi9kPr6CchHyIMI0qzAKwPFqqEkpAK/4KK0jH6idOM= Received: by 10.90.79.6 with SMTP id c6mr5316581agb.1179857109546; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.65.3 with HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:05:09 +0100 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <002201c79c98$eb70aaa0$3be8fc3e@g3kev> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002201c79c98$eb70aaa0$3be8fc3e@g3kev> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: LMCW Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16560_29077919.1179857109511" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6758 ------=_Part_16560_29077919.1179857109511 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Error! LMCW Started in on 27 July 1997 when I first transmitted over the 393km path to G3PLX on 72.09kHz.. Dot period was 100s, and it took several hours of overnight keying to send my callsign. Peter received in a bandwidth of 0.03Hz That was "real" QRSS - none of this namby-pamby 1 - 10s dots the amateurs of today use :-) You can almost hear that! Andy G4JNT On 22/05/07, hamilton mal wrote: > > Lazy Man CW started in England a few years ago on 137 khz and only spread > to > mainland EU in a small way and I am glad to say that the 30 countries that > I > worked in the past were all on CW including Russia. > LMCW is useful under very difficultr conditions but seldom necessary for a > competent CW operator and anything slower than qrs 10 is seldom necessary, > although qrs3 usually does the trick. > The qrp restriction in the UK on 500 khz at present is adequate for CW > around EU, it seems there is no one beyond beyond OM/OK even interested > except by arrangement. > It has been pointed out by others that the 100 mw does not encourage real > research because it is so easy to generate this power, so with a wet > string > and a signal generator you have achieved the object. > We need 10 w and even more realistic 20 w for real R and D to take placed, > and these power levels(erp) are more difficult to achieve than you think > given the average radio amateur antenna system. > If there is no change in the UK pwr restriction in the future I cannot see > this band lasting for long, and EU so slow to even get going it does not > justify the effort. What has happened to the EEC one for all and all for > one. Its all a joke. > I was in EI land a couple of weeks ago and vehicle fuel was 69 pence a > litre, in the UK 96.9 pence can u see what I mean, and by the way there is > no council tax on properties in EI. > Its now the same few amateurs keeping the band going. Look what has > happened > to 137 khz, it has virtually died out. > Apart from the novelty of 500 kihz 160 m is a better band, does the same > thing and with 400w in the dx area the world is your OYSTER!!!! > 73 De Mal/G3KEV > > > > ------=_Part_16560_29077919.1179857109511 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Error!
 
LMCW Started in on 27 July 1997 when I first transmitted over the 393km path to G3PLX on 72.09kHz..   Dot period was 100s, and it took several hours of overnight keying to send my callsign.  Peter received in a bandwidth of 0.03Hz
 
That was "real" QRSS - none of this namby-pamby 1 - 10s dots the amateurs of today use :-)  You can almost hear that!
 
Andy  G4JNT


 
On 22/05/07, hamilton mal <g3kev.ham@virgin.net> wrote:
Lazy Man CW started in England a few years ago on 137 khz and only spread to
mainland EU in a small way and I am glad to say that the 30 countries that I
worked in the past were all on CW including Russia.
LMCW is useful under very difficultr conditions but seldom necessary for a
competent CW operator and anything slower than qrs 10 is seldom necessary,
although qrs3 usually does the trick.
The qrp restriction in the UK on 500 khz at present is adequate for CW
around EU, it seems there is no one beyond beyond OM/OK even interested
except by arrangement.
It has been pointed out by others that the 100 mw does not encourage real
research because it is so easy to generate this power, so with a wet string
and a signal generator you have achieved the object.
We need 10 w and even more realistic 20 w for real R and D to take placed,
and these power levels(erp) are more difficult to achieve than you think
given the average radio amateur antenna system.
If there is no change in the UK pwr restriction in the future I cannot see
this band lasting for long, and EU so slow to even get going it does not
justify the effort. What has happened to the EEC one for all and all for
one. Its all a joke.
I was in EI land a couple of weeks ago and vehicle fuel was 69 pence a
litre, in the UK 96.9 pence can u see what I mean, and by the way there is
no council tax on properties in EI.
Its now the same few amateurs keeping the band going. Look what has happened
to 137 khz, it has virtually died out.
Apart from the novelty of 500 kihz 160 m is a better band, does the same
thing and with 400w in the dx area the world is your OYSTER!!!!
73 De Mal/G3KEV




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