Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19247 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 18:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by 10.226.25.101 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 18:08:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 3627 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 18:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 18:08:08 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14TSjk-0001uF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:02:36 +0000 Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14TSji-0001u8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:02:35 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id l.f7.75989ff (4332) for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:01:39 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:01:39 EST Subject: Re: LF: lf transatlantic exchange of information To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In a message dated 2/15/01 11:31:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, gii3kev@netscapeonline.co.uk writes: << They must be desperate for some sort of recognition even to the extent of bending the rules as they go along. >> Odd. I must have missed something. I don't recall the parties involved asking for awards or prizes, so what "rules" are getting bent? Seems to me a much easier way to gain recognition is to disparage others and impugn their motives time and again on an e-mail reflector. I hate to give that kind of recognition by responding at all, and shall generally refrain from doing so in future, but this behavior makes a mockery of free speech. << Involving a third party in a qso is certainly not valid regardless of the circumstances. >> While I would agree that the spirit of the Bobek Award is ultimately to reward a QSO in which two stations communicate directly with each other, both of them transmitting and receiving on LF, the statement "regardless of the circumstances" is an incredible over-generalization. Third parties in QSOs are commonplace in the real world, as is having to relay for benefit of parties who don't have the ability to receive each other directly. While not a simple, unembellished two-way exchange, the UK-Canadian QSO in question is an honourable achievement. All winter long, amateurs on both sides of the Atlantic have been able to view each others' signals, but until now, no one had demonstrated that the path would remain open in both directions long enough for a proper exchange to take place. This has now been done. The next step is to get the necessary receive and transmit capability in the same place on this side of the pond, and do it "for keeps." << Can anyone remember off hand who made the first 160 m qso across the pond, or the first on 6 metres and who cares!!!!!!!!!! >> I care! Those names don't spring to mind as readily as they do for the first transatlantic amateur contact ever, but I do occasionally think of those feats. It is good to know I can look them up when I choose to do, because somebody at the time thought it important enough to record the information for future generations. John Currie, John Leahy, and Peter Dodd will not be household names 50 years from now. Neither will be whoever finally accomplishes a plain two-way QSO, nor whoever finally does it in normal-speed CW, or whatever. So, what is the point of trying to deny them the present satisfaction of having done something worthwhile NOW? That goes beyond trying to uphold some ideal of perfection. It's just plain mean-spiritedness. John H. Davis KD4IDY