Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.28]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINMC023-a8d54b9656b82be; Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:10:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 24CE93800014B; Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Np06k-0004sy-J0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:08:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Np06k-0004sp-0I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:08:26 +0000 Received: from mail-wy0-f171.google.com ([74.125.82.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Np06g-0002RC-Sh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:08:25 +0000 Received: by wyb42 with SMTP id 42so3063315wyb.16 for ; Tue, 09 Mar 2010 06:08:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7WD8kgc/nEFPLJGrA6iSgc2mKpZcNyDY5jo0M76awwM=; b=vSNgLbwo6Q05U8jGwiCFgb5QGiSCIr+j2F4Ju5azSfaRoPWypbATLEOoGml3IbYJ9V CnDzLr4RPDH7lUe+gTc6t8eqWG+LKdGhMjSX4VY3ffu5N9IT1NSMnEMsAZOQgZQ17j0i 7ydl9Y2lomSU8iCitAiIDm5OpxED/WS79NPQQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=TP3riPE32Y4cPtsdsRhY5l9aubre9efo4yo9cjb/bfQs7BopAZGnJtoltmUQBJnHQi 53b4/1CZ4W33H+YhJCmwAJYqwPY8Z90P58T1MF4B8Aot93bo4ku/n7JKd425bsI/37Ys jFq1dsnGQzi2OkBGarY6nqZM3IcAJ22d/1ilo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.87.18 with SMTP id x18mr3166692wee.201.1268143697026; Tue, 09 Mar 2010 06:08:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <914803.6921.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <914803.6921.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:08:16 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a44d5926e880f1fb Message-ID: From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Why is this group not a Yahoo group with archives and web access? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6db299995e20004815eb6c3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d256.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601c4b9656b7319e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6db299995e20004815eb6c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete, Thanks for your comments. I am sure that there are several solutions possible to having some form of accessible archive for information other than skeds, QSO outcomes, etc. Whilst the current reflector does provide= a fast and simple service expanding it, if indeed it is possible, might brin= g admin issues that would need addressing. It may be best to consider the options, without at this stage planning to close this reflector. To me so= me form of Wiki would perhaps be useful, as that might need less management= / admin than say a dedicated website. Do we have someone withing our ranks who can offer up some suggestions. The key to me would be to find somethi= ng where key things can be achived in an easily retrievable fashion, but with the minimum overhead on administration. 73 John, G3WKL On 8 March 2010 15:37, M0FMT wrote: > > Hi John and group > > > > I think one of the features of Yahoo and Google groups is that an archiv= e > of Circuit, Photographs, Articles, Grabber dumps and calculations like > Markus=92 work can be stored in file (directories) attached to the grou= p. > In this way rigs like Rog=92s GW3UEP =93Starter=94 500kc/s TX could be= attached to > the group archive. I think this is one of the greatest missed opportunit= ies > with the LF reflector to build a great body of work open to all and to= new > entrants. > > The Softrock Yahoo group has a great archive body that all users can del= ve > into which go right back to the origin of Softrock and is maintained up= to > the present so any of the kit info can be down loaded plus support proje= cts > that were never kitted but you can still make them because the info is > there. > > > > I have read through the Black-sheep preamble and there seems to be > something similar available in a DOSy sort of way. If that is so it woul= d be > great if it could be used as suggested above. I think Roger G3XBM was > getting at this in his mail if you read it. A delve-able archive is what= is > missing here I feel. > 73 es GL petefmt > > --- On *Mon, 8/3/10, John Gould * wrote: > > > From: John Gould > > Subject: Re: LF: Why is this group not a Yahoo group with archives and= web > access? > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Monday, 8 March, 2010, 14:02 > > > Sorry that I've missed this thread _ I've been away at a place where the > phone line was down and 3G, etc, can't reach - idylic. > > As Alan says the reflector has been in operation for many years. It > followed a "group" on packet that started and the messages of which I > collated, roughly monthly, and issued as a newsletter to those not on > packet. I kept all the material for many years, like Peter, G3LDO with= a > mind to do something with it, however, whilst there are many gems in it= much > was ephemeral. Probably, the best parts have subsequently been developed= and > found their place in the RSGB Handbook, LF Experimenters' Handbook and= the > like. In those days the group discussed 73 kHz. As e-mail became more > general we moved across to this reflector. > > I'm not the Sysop, but I am the link to him. He's just come back to me= and > thinks that it is possible to allow a larger files size. He'll look int= o it > this evening and let me know. > > 73 John, G3WKL > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > --=20 John, G3WKL --0016e6db299995e20004815eb6c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete,

Thanks for your comments.=A0 I am sure that there are severa= l solutions possible to having some form of accessible archive for informa= tion other than skeds, QSO outcomes, etc.=A0 Whilst the current reflector= does provide a fast and simple service expanding it, if indeed it is poss= ible, might bring admin issues that would need addressing.=A0 It may be be= st to consider the options, without at this stage planning to close this= reflector.=A0 To me some form of Wiki would perhaps be useful, as that mi= ght need less management / admin than say a dedicated website.=A0 Do we ha= ve someone withing our ranks who can offer up some suggestions.=A0 The key= to me would be to find something where key things can be achived in an ea= sily retrievable fashion, but with the minimum overhead on administration.=

73 John, G3WKL

On 8 March 2010 15:37= , M0FMT <m0fmt@y= ahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi John and group

=A0

I think one of= the features of Yahoo and Google groups is that an archive of Circuit, Ph= otographs, Articles, Grabber dumps and calculations like Markus=92 work =A0can be stored in file (directories) attached to the group.= In this way rigs like Rog=92s GW3UEP =93Starter=94 500kc/s TX could be at= tached to the group archive. I think this is one of the greatest missed op= portunities with the LF reflector to build a great body of work open to al= l and to new entrants.

The Softrock Yah= oo group has a great archive body that all users can delve into which go= right back to the origin of Softrock and is maintained up to the present= so any of the kit info can be down loaded plus support projects that were= never kitted but you can still make them because the info is there.

=A0

I have read thro= ugh the Black-sheep preamble and there seems to be something similar avail= able in a DOSy sort of way. If that is so it would be great if it could be= used as suggested above. I think Roger G3XBM was getting at this in his= mail if you read it. A delve-able archive is what is missing here I feel.=
73 es GL petefmt

--- On Mon, 8/3/10, John Gould <jwgould@iee.org><= /b> wrote:


From: John Gould <jwgould@iee.org>

Subject: Re: LF: Why is this group not a Yahoo group with archives an= d web access?
To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Monday, 8 March, 2010, 14:02


Sorry that I've missed this thread _ I've been away at a plac= e where the phone line was down and 3G, etc, can't reach - idylic.
=
As Alan says the reflector has been in operation for many years.=A0 It= followed a "group" on packet that started and the messages of= which I collated, roughly monthly, and issued as a newsletter to those no= t on packet.=A0 I kept all the material for many years, like Peter, G3LDO= with a mind to do something with it, however, whilst there are many gems= in it much was ephemeral. Probably, the best parts have subsequently been= developed and found their place in the RSGB Handbook, LF Experimenters= 9; Handbook and the like.=A0 In those days the group discussed 73 kHz.=A0= As e-mail became more general we moved across to this reflector.=A0

I'm not the Sysop, but I am the link to him.=A0 He's just come= back to me and thinks that it is possible to allow a larger files size.= =A0 He'll look into it this evening and let me know.

73 John, G3WKL

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