Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4547 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2002 18:57:19 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Nov 2002 18:57:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8068 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2002 18:57:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Nov 2002 18:57:23 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18H7Mc-0003pO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:56:46 +0000 Received: from [205.188.157.39] (helo=imo-d07.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18H7Mb-0003pF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:56:45 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.c6.15a219bf (4446) for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:56:09 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:56:09 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Subject: Re: LF: Logging & New SpecLab.... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0tests=MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Alan,
thanks for the comments and the info. Other members of the group were doing the tougher part when getting their logging stations running - - -

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if we can measure and log phase accurately enough, and do the stations transmit a reliably constant phase.
We know DCF39 does not, but others may be more useful....time data might be
a problem....or it might be an advantage !! measure time ??
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By chance, Markus DF6NM has just explained his observations on the DCF39 phase jumps  to me (rewarding, tnx!!). But we are not sure yet if they (at DCF) really care for a high-precision carrier frequency. All I can say now is that the phase jump is always a multiple of  25.7xx° (or so), but WHEN these jump's occur I can't say.
With some luck and a bit of "audio preprocessing in the time domain" it may be possible to make a phase plot of DCF39 with all phase jumps removed, one fine day... but more experimentation must be done.

Would a well-known experienced programmer of beautiful user interfaces like to have the sourcecodes ? ;-)


Regards,
Wolf DL4YHF