Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.91]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-5eba4b4b8a4239; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:29:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 463FD3800012A; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NUQsZ-0005Vn-DW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:28:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NUQsY-0005Ve-Tz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:28:46 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NUQsW-00041R-47 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:28:46 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so12418705fxm.4 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:28:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.244.4 with SMTP id k4mr456161hbq.193.1263241717231; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:28:37 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [86.179.155.14] In-Reply-To: <006a01ca92ea$ef6c5fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <000e01ca9223$6d16ec90$0517aac0@desktop> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1A8E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <002701ca92a7$306cf080$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <20100111120918.29c48e1d@opc1> <20100111141623.0d41fa7f@opc1> <4B4B6317.1090907@usa.net> <006a01ca92ea$ef6c5fa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:28:36 +0000 Message-ID: From: PETER CLEALL To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163600d1f1d231d7047ce96196 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605b4b4b8a3f0ff2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00163600d1f1d231d7047ce96196 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I suggest you go to Google and put "Alberto di Bene" in the search criteria before you critise and beleive that failure to have a qso with you is a failure to contribute to LF/MF regards peter G8AFN 2010/1/11 mal hamilton > Om > Like you suggest two licences A and B > > Licence A > Radio Amateurs that can communicate using Morse Code and use a soldering > iron to build a wireless and communicate. > > Licence B > Appliance Operators that mind machines to communicate on their behalf > especially when they are asleep and cannot do any of the above. I realize > Italy is a hot country and they need a lot of siesta time therefore this > class would be most suitable.for them. > > What experience do you have on LF/MF and preferred modes. I cannot recall > when we had a QSO or heard you. > > G3KEV > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alberto di Bene" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW... > > > > > Self-training = learning something, by your own endeavours > > > > > > Radio Communications = the whole gamut of science & engineering > involved > > > in generating, radiating, receiving and detecting signals at radio > > > frequencies. > > > > > > Where does it prescribe that one must pass 2-way messages in real time > > > to undertake this "self-training"? > > > > There will not ever be an end to this dispute, unless we propose TWO > kinds > of ham radio licenses... > > > > License A) Released to all whose main interest is to learn new techniques > or experiment old ones, either by building > > themselves hardware and/or software related to radio communication, where > "communication" is to be intended with the > > meaning of "conveying information at distance", with whatever > radio-related mean... let's call them "Radio Amateurs" > > > > License B) Released to all whose main interest is to use the radio to > talk > with other B-licensed persons, usually of > > subjects of no or very little importance, either by using SSB modulation, > or by operating a mechanical switch that > > interrupts what otherwise would have been a CW (Continuous Wave) > carrier... let's call them "Rags Chewers" > > > > If the two categories were allocated different frequency slots, with > substantial fines in case of invasion of the other > > slot, then we all could live in peace, without arguments whatsoever... > Radio Amateurs with Radio Amateurs, and Rags > > Chewers with Rags Chewers.... > > > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > > > > > --00163600d1f1d231d7047ce96196 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I suggest you go to Google and put "Alberto di Bene" in the= search criteria before you critise and=A0 beleive that failure to have a= qso with you is=A0 a failure to contribute to LF/MF

regards
peter G8AFN

2010/1/1= 1 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Om
Like you suggest two licences A and B

Licence A
Radio Amateurs that can communicate using Morse Code and use a soldering iron to build a wireless and communicate.

Licence B
Appliance Operators that mind machines to communicate on their behalf
especially when they are asleep and cannot do any of the above. I realize<= br> Italy is a hot country and they need a lot of siesta time therefore this class would be most suitable.for them.

What experience do you have on LF/MF and preferred modes. I cannot recall<= br> when we had a QSO or heard you.

G3KEV



----- Original Message -----
From: "Alberto di Bene" <di= bene@usa.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW...


> > Self-training =3D learning somethin= g, by your own endeavours
> >
> > Radio Communications =3D the whole gamut of science & engine= ering involved
> > in generating, radiating, receiving and detecting signals at rad= io
> > frequencies.
> >
> > Where does it prescribe that one must pass 2-way messages in rea= l time
> > to undertake this "self-training"?
>
> There will not ever be an end to this dispute, unless we propose TWO= kinds
of ham radio licenses...
>
> License A) Released to all whose main interest is to learn new techni= ques
or experiment old ones, either by building
> themselves hardware and/or software related to radio communication,= where
"communication" is to be intended with the
> meaning of "conveying information at distance", with whatev= er
radio-related mean... let's call them "Radio Amateurs"
>
> License B) Released to all whose main interest is to use the radio to= talk
with other B-licensed persons, usually of
> subjects of no or very little importance, either by using SSB modulat= ion,
or by operating a mechanical switch that
> interrupts what otherwise would have been a CW (Continuous Wave)
carrier... =A0let's call them "Rags Chewers"
>
> If the two categories were allocated different frequency slots, with<= br> substantial fines in case of invasion of the other
> slot, then we all could live in peace, without arguments whatsoever..= .
Radio Amateurs with Radio Amateurs, and Rags
> Chewers with Rags Chewers....
>
> 73 =A0Alberto =A0I2PHD
>
>
>



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