Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 143C138000130; Fri, 2 Sep 2011 15:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QzZmD-0007pE-1v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 20:51:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QzZmC-0007p5-GY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 20:51:44 +0100 Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net ([195.173.77.149]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QzZmA-0007lM-4b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 20:51:44 +0100 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QzZm9-0003Gx-bJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 19:51:41 +0000 Received: from opc1.twatt.home (opc1.twatt.home [192.168.21.16]) by svr1.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13BF1BF81 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2011 19:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 19:51:39 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: John P-G To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (WNT 1167 2008-08-23) Organization: The Gammy Bird X-X-Sender: gm4slv@svr1.twatt.home MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: My thoughts on ROS Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:403688480:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4054e6134064e8e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none LF, One of my objectives listed on my application for a NoV for 500kHz was to assist other UK stations in their own experiments, acting as remote eyes and ears, and it was in this role that I accepted Graham's request to join him and others using ROS. The mode has had a huge amount of press - negative and positive - and being a one-person development (and closed source) is certain to be controversial. After installing the software on my NetBook (Samsung NC10 - the only Windows PC I had available) I was initially bewildered by the look, feel and configuration of the beast. The continuous appearance of information relating to bands quite unrelated to the band you've selected is annoying and, on the small screen of a NetBook, very distracting - taking up valuable window space. The MF mode, with it's 2 symbol rates, is nicely compact, in 100Hz bandwidth, and the modem seems very sensitive - often (on a quiet band) giving 100% copy of signals that were inaudible in the speaker and invisible on a separate RX/waterfall (the netbook screen is too small to allow me to use the ROS waterfall). In the presence of lightning static crashes I found it less sensitive, often failing to lock on weak signals, but coping only with those that were both audible and visible. As a QSO mode - yes it probably does very well, but the user interface is awful - little documentation to get the casual user started - and the continuously and pointless spots of other bands is enough to drive one to distraction - and there is no way of storing a sequence of spots on the band you're operating on, which means you can't easily digest just who has reported your last transmission before it disappears, replaced by a spot on 50MHz... I am always interested in digimodes for QSOs, not just for beacons, but ROS falls short, I'm afraid. Mal's reported problems with both ROS and WSPR decodes failing might be more a problem with his computer - as most people manage to decode WSPR signals from the very weakest (just visible) at -30dB up to the very strongest (bright white trace) at +10dB or more. Failure on stronger signals is generally a timing issue - soundcard sample rate errors - and failure to decode in general is a PC clock timing issue - the PC /MUST/ be synchronised to UTC - via NTP/Dimension 4 or whatever. Window's own inbuilt "network time sync" just isn't good enough. Now - anyone want to try some other datamode (FSK only, Class-E amp) tests this weekend? For tonight I've got a CW beacon running on 501.5kHz but would be happy to try a CW QSO if anyone hears me. Can't do x-band - no HF antenna.... Regards, John GM4SLV