Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 15:12:14 +0100 (CET)
From: Jacek Lipkowski <sq5bpf@lipkowski.org>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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A public searchable archive is here:
https://klubnl.pl/rsgb_lf_group-archives/html/rsgb_lf_group/

It has been put together from various personal archives (my archive, Dave 
G3YXM and Markus DF6NM), and should cover february 1999 upto now without 
larger holes.

We (Marcin SQ2BXI and me) don't intend to make any money from the 
klubnl.pl page. So far the server and the domain has been paid by me, and 
this is quite comfortable (the sum isn't large, and this way i have 
freedom from commercial interests).

The blacksheep.org server seems to have a tight, modern anti-spam setup, 
so i think the admins are still active and doing their job.

If the blacksheep.org server were to fail, the only thing lost is the list 
of subscribers. A list of active subscribers could be extracted by parsing 
the archives from the last 2-3 years (this is probably 20% of subscribers, 
but would help in recovery).


VY 73

Jacek / SQ5BPF


On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, Neil wrote:

> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:25:15 +0000
> From: Neil <neil@g4dbn.uk>
> Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: reflector archive history...
> 
> Is there a mirrored archive or backups of the blacksheep server to preserve 
> it and keep it active when the server is no longer alive? Are the admins of 
> the group still around?
>
> I'm not a fan of groups.io by any means, but the monetisation model seems to 
> work for them, with free non-commercial groups acting as a way to market the 
> commercial service to the businesses that have free group users on the 
> payroll to act as unpaid influencers.
>
> I can imagine there would be consent issues with a closed non-indexed group 
> being ported to an open one.
>
> There is a similar issue with the French SHF forums.  There are two running 
> in parallel and most users are cross-posting duplicates every time in hyperfr 
> and hyper-fr-ref.
>
> Archival storage of old forums and websites is more and more important as we 
> lose some of the folks who created the first generation of ham radio sites.  
> We can't just put our trust in the Internet Archive.
>
> Neil G4DBN
>
> On 18/03/2019 10:37, Paul Nicholson wrote:
>> 
>> > groups.io forums like UKMicrowaves have public archives
>> > which are indexed by search engines.
>> 
>> Unfortunately the groups.io settings would have been inherited
>> from the Yahoo group as part of the migration process.  The Yahoo
>> group was set up as a private group (as befits a family or commercial
>> discussion group), so the archives and files were never public.
>> 
>> I doubt that it is possible to retrospectively change that because
>> that would expose posts made when the group was private.
>> 
>> Agreed, in every respect groups.io is an improvement on
>> Yahoo and on traditional mailing lists like this one.
>> 
>> Eventually the blacksheep computer will fail - it's have been running
>> on borrowed time for years now!  We have been very lucky with it.
>> 
>> A solution would be to create a new group on groups.io with public
>> archives and files.  groups.io itself might last 10 years or so, but
>> the public archives will last indefinitely as a resource for
>> historians.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Paul Nicholson
>> -- 
>> 
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