Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18281 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2002 21:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2002 21:11:52 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28313 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2002 21:11:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2002 21:11:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16O3VF-0008WV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:09:49 +0000 Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.162]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16O3VE-0008WQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:09:48 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id l.a5.20d46899 (25306) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:08:53 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:08:53 EST Subject: Re: LF: Receiving loop very close to the ground To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >I know that I can illuminate(to some extent) a light bulb by connecting it >to the hot side of the mains and grounding it to the earth indicating that >there can be significant current flow in the earth at 50/60 Hz. > >1) Can there also be significant flow at harmonic frequencies of the 50/60 >Hz? If so does this mean that an antenna low to the ground like mine, could >be picking up some of that energy that may be in the LF bands? >Would raising it to 5 feet help eliminate some of that noise? > >2) Does raising a loop have any effect on the received signal strength other >moving the antennas resonance point? > >3) Is it possible to shield one side of a loop antenna with say wire >fencing a few feet away to elimiinate noise coming from 1 direction and >thus making the unidirectional instead of bi-directional. > >After all are not we playing the game of signal against noise. To extend >the range of a given station should much consideration be given to >minimizing the undesirable noise, either man-made or natural ? Isn;t the >noise the limiting factor here? > >Please tell me if I am all wet... I will go get a towel > A dry washcloth should suffice, Paul. You surmise correctly on your first question. Earth currents can induce noise into a loop. Sometimes there's not too much effect, sometimes quite a bit. Moreover, the proximity of the partially-conducting earth affects such things as the depth of null you can obtain with the loop. Second question: Yes, height of the loop can make a difference in signal strength. It's not a linear relationship, but a bit of height may either get you away from sources of noise, or improve signal strength, or both. Third question, though: It is not effective to "shield" a loop in the manner you describe. Currents in the fence will couple either signal or noise--or both--into the loop, and also adversely affect its directional properties. It could eliminate your ability to achieve nulls in crucial directions. There are other ways, though, to utilize a loop in a unidirectional configuration rather than bidirectional. If you combine the output of a loop with the output of a whip, with provision for matching the signal levels of the two antennas, you can achieve quite a nice cardioid pattern in situations where that would be more useful than the two nulls of a figure-eight. To learn more about steerable nulls and phasing and matching of two antennas, I recommend visiting www.lwca.org and scrolling down to the lower half of the home page. Click the link for "On The Art of NDB DXing," and go to Chapters 4 and 5 for some very useful ideas. 73, John Davis