X-GM-THRID: 1246131627704576512 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.100.174.5 with SMTP id w5cs36883ane; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.100.1 with SMTP id x1mr1650252bub.1188403728470; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id y6si3723266uge.2007.08.29.09.08.44; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) client-ip=193.82.116.20; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) smtp.mail=owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1IQQ0Y-0007vt-M0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:03:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1IQQ0Y-0007vk-5E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:03:06 +0100 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IQQ0S-0003V5-Qa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:03:05 +0100 Received: from lurcher.twatt.local (lurcher.twatt.local [127.0.1.1]) by lurcher.twatt.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00BADA4A6 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:02:54 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:02:54 +0100 (BST) From: John Pumford-Green GM4SLV X-X-Sender: gm4slv@lurcher.twatt.local To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: X-Mailer: PC-Pine MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.020,RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=0.234 Subject: LF: 500 Field strength / ERP Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 347 Hello LF, I've been experimenting with a system to make field strength measurements, with the goal of estimating ERP. I found some information on characterising a single turn untuned loop, in terms of its "antenna factor" - relating incident field strength to terminated signal voltage - and set to with the pocket calculator and an excel spreadsheet. I know there is a design for a FSM out there that use a ferrite rod antenna and requires calibration with a pair of Helmzholtz coils. I'm too lazy to build both the RX/meter/antenna AND a calibration facility! I've written a short note describing the maths behind my setup, which is at http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/500kHzERP.pdf I've made lots of measurements within 1.5km of my site - an uncluttered rural area - and get reasonably consistent results. I now estimate that I need 15W TX power to achieve 100mW ERP (55mW EMRP). This morning I made measurements of field strength between 450m and 13km (admittedly over 8km I was at the limit of sensitivity and needed to switch in the RX pre-amp). I find that out to the limit of my immediate locality, where the path back to the TX antenna is unobstructed by hills, my ERP calculates out to be 100mW (3 results = 98, 101, 100). At 4.3km I was at the wrong side of a hill, and a small village, and the ERP came out at only 57mW - field strength was lower than to be expected given the distance - extra path loss.... At 8km I was higher up, but still further away and across more rocks and hills, and ERP came out at 36mW. At 10.7km I was back at sea level the wrong side of a large mass of rock and across a sea loch (known as a "voe" in Shetland), ERP calculated to 28mW These lower calculated ERPs are consistent with lossy ground of around 1mS/m over the path. Totally unscientific I'm sure. I'm now happy to use readings within my immediate surroundings, out to 3km, and be confident that the results are reasonable. For the record I'm now using no more than 15W transmitter power for all operation. Antenna is 11m vertical with 4 short sloping capacity wires of 3.5m length (ie not much top loading). Feed current is around 0.55A from 15W, ground loss resistance comes out at around 50 ohms. For 100mW ERP (55mW EMRP) and feed current of 0.55A I calculate Rrad = 0.18 ohms This seems reasonable. The capacity hat is raising the Rrad from an estimated 0.14 ohms for a bare 11m vertical to 0.18 - a gain of 20log(0.18/0.14) = 2.2dB I'm impressed that I can detect the effects of excess ground losses over the propagation path - which lead to E-field reducing at a rate greater than than 1/D - once I get out of "line of sight" path conditions, although they aren't "line of sight" in an optical sense but rather that no large rock or other structures get in the way, just gently rolling heathery peat/farm land. I now at least hope I'm within a few dB of 100mW ERP as far as I can tell. Cheers, John