X-GM-THRID: 1242336643291327959 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs414612hue; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 02:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.96.14 with SMTP id y14mr1051067ugl.1184837262229; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 02:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i4si8842279nfh.2007.07.19.02.27.34; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 02:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1IBSD3-0002wY-Ho for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:22:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1IBSD3-0002wP-0r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:22:09 +0100 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IBSD1-00041s-EQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:22:08 +0100 Received: from lurcher.twatt.local (lurcher.twatt.local [127.0.1.1]) by lurcher.twatt.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61C4DA5F3 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:22:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:22:01 +0100 (BST) From: John GM4SLV X-X-Sender: gm4slv@lurcher.twatt.local To: rsgb In-Reply-To: <000f01c7c96a$a88c6cc0$45e8fc3e@g3kev> Message-ID: References: <000f01c7c96a$a88c6cc0$45e8fc3e@g3kev> X-Mailer: PC-Pine MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.041,RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=0.234 Subject: Re: LF: 500 v 136 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 984 On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, hamilton mal wrote: > Hi All > It looks like 500 is going the same way as 136. If Beacons and QRS are the > trend then the band will fizzle out when the novelty wears off. > QRS does little to encourage improving antennas or more efficient PA > systems, or perfecting the basic skill of using CW, which has always been > the traditional mode on the band. > G3KEV Unfortunately I think the ERP restriction on 100mW may be what drives the use of QRSS modes. Certainly from this QTH a lot of the active stations are over 900km away and QRSS gives much more chance of getting a contact, albeit not a "real one". If we stick the the letter of the law then there is little to be gained from improving antenna efficiency since that then requires a commensurate reduction in transmitter power to maintain the ERP within the limit and nothing is gained except (for single antenna working) that RX performance may improve, although that's often limited by external band noise anyway. PA efficiency is also a moot point when just about anything up to 20w RF can generate 100mW ERP form even the simplest MF antenna and even at 50% efficiency we aren't going to worry about dissipation in the PA at that power. I do agree that perfecting the skill in CW is a help to operating, especially at low S/N ratios that we have with the low ERP. I can't speak for the stations who are clumped together in the SE of England, where seemingly S7-9 signals are regularly received, by up here I've never heard a CW signal that has been stronger than RST 339 (and that's not sn S-Meter 3, it's a real S3 in the old money - no S-meter deflections have been seen on any signals) so it does make you try harder to read CW under weak signal conditions. Another aspect that seems to drive the beacon/QRSS is the low number of active stations and therefore low probability of any of them being active at the same time. We all have other calls on our time. Perhaps some form of "Inverse Silent Period" is needed to try and clump together the activity. At least if someone has a beacon transmission running it's a chance to receive reports and for there to be a visible presence on the band for anyone new (like me) coming into the LF/MF world for the first time. Better to hear a beacon and think "gosh I've heard something on 500, let's get involved" than to think "I can't hear anything, is it because my set-up doesn't work or becuase there's no-one on the band?" I've had some correspondance this week with Brian GM4JYB who is on Dunnet Head in the far north of Scotland and has been able to copy Finbar's beacon and as such is interested in going further, time permitted. I think what I'm trying to say is that any RF radiated on 500 has to be beneficial, but hopefully the intention will always be to get on the key for real QSOs when possible. Just my thoughts while I wait for OFCOM... Cheers, John -- G-GRP-Club 2377, QRP-ARCI 12384, SKCC 3214 Member : RSGB, ARRL Shetland Islands (EU-012) IP90GG Lerwick Radio Club : http://www.gm3zet.org