Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 243973801D311; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SCvdo-0005BQ-Du for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:22:32 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SCvdn-0005BH-NO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:22:31 +0100 Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.61]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SCvdl-00069e-9j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:22:31 +0100 Received: from [77.238.189.233] by nm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2012 16:22:22 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm14.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2012 16:22:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2012 16:22:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 755452.85302.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 83991 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2012 16:22:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=jNwzeZ7OCu2ADiXp9tU7Pzq5z0GQ0wMrmg/SiTK05/farMdFj10h09jnK0TIPGMVid6M8RciWZlEbMM8VACMDKFQ+75p5eA3J3cWIh8GXcg094UHLZYfWD0vVZ1unVxQRaam2WHO+mQvDkOlg5jUfq/8071JMkOcT3a470DWYa0= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1332951742; bh=NSqAo0YPR2eck+aeRt89cps5Es0I0Hf6V+4R/T3Z1Oc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=0wkHHDv8Xf7uJJRaIhVn348+bKfAcS3VS7dhdFlTV1SyLZxjAgvlsRZSeiCPfOpYGc+ZcHhCD35YwgcPv/2/xAjRujiWdVUqDqjPxmbUi2VcIDMsr2quMkLuPkLFyCa///K97xJMmeKkLudiZp3aVqx2ZDIBrA8+URsY6CJezb0= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 41E00UMVM1mO0RJAaaogzDoB052C3oUozVS3s4n4DAYwz_N XcQHLYdLnB54e7kIeBFGmZ024k_GReHSKW7zjjQv76H.tfV_r70bnwn9tP.q iuRYKfTjn55AvZtq4WylwB4aAT348niQAYhKxbAg4K7RNykP.jq4JLbz64LS GEAjt_74rry5JDGHOZ2fysU8jWIMxaSla3GkvtoV2wBZ4owh76xD_qeMnucb 5ewW_K8vDNy11UMo.D1IJPoCVeC92avgleebr0uJzS7iOPRKrPpcjO9eX_kN W2oMsr7lmhvCsPd8CfHw3eTYqL2VI3egBoUKu3tgjHmN432JbWuVFGZCNtWN uzveZBWIF.M9_kp0Q7EiEKrgzathuFWWfzVpXLBlSnGLkQ8RUp70IFmcG4Cs FoXTlOOkIhvIySXxy5Txun5PTjtXw7fI16w_Z3JKRA3SjBUeAPT0kMY_0shZ oS01pSk44PsGzZ5ZuGMocY34qtOAiGfxFLipF1akLv68F4dHUBY_45_.oDDI sRp8kkz4WrxfoIrcn824B3w-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: c8dPawiswBBxxmjSAvmKGJq150SoSoD6d8MTABSG9Now_xuQLZ9d Received: from taurids (ganymede444@81.154.12.136 with login) by smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2012 16:22:21 +0000 GMT From: "Dave G3WCB." To: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:19:52 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <8CEDA76E04F70F0-1B04-5AAF@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: DF6NM on 8970.002 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01CD0D06.FCD9CEF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4f7340d66232 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01CD0D06.FCD9CEF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Markus, LF, Bentley accoustics produced the "Ionofane"loudspeaker, that used a corona or plasma discharge as a sound source. Perhaps you should consider modulating your carrier with some music, for the amusement of the neighbours? ;-) http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/faneacoust_ionofane_601.html 73, dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Markus Vester Sent: 27 March 2012 22:23 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: VLF: DF6NM on 8970.002 It's a beautiful night! At 20:25, I have started up a straight carrier on 8970.002 Hz (DHO locked). If all stays well I will leave it on until after sunrise. An interesting observation on the side: In the first few minutes, I drove the amp up to 400 mA antenna current. A little corona became visible near the ends of two of the three topload wires - it wasn't very bright, not unlike 3rd magnitude stars when viewed from the ground 10 m below. But the 9 kHz sound from antenna itself could be heard quite loudly, which is a potential cause for neighbourhood trouble. Then I reduced the drive to 350 mA where the corona disappeared completely. So did the noise, the antenna became absolutely quiet! All that was left was a little noise from the coil in the dustbin on the balcony, and the transformer indoors. Thus the predominant cause for a squeaking antenna must be corona. The fact that it can be heard at 9 rather than 18 kHz demonstrates that the discharge must have an asymmetric dependence on the voltage polarity. At the same time, wideband electrical noise on the nearby LF grabber antenna went down by 20 dB. BTW If you like you can actually read my VLF frequency from an alias line on the LF TA grabber: It is created by the 24th VLF harmonic, intermodulating with DCF 77, thus appearing on 24 x 8970.002 - 77500 = 137780.048 Hz. Best regards, Markus (DF6NM) ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01CD0D06.FCD9CEF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,=20 Markus, LF,
 
Bentley accoustics produced the = "Ionofane"loudspeaker,=20 that used a corona or plasma discharge as a sound = source.
 
Perhaps you should consider modulating your = carrier=20 with some music, for the amusement of the neighbours?=20 ;-)
 
http:/= /www.radiomuseum.org/r/faneacoust_ionofane_601.html
 
73,=20 dave G3WCB IO91RM
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Markus=20 Vester
Sent: 27 March 2012 22:23
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: VLF: DF6NM on=20 8970.002

It's a beautiful night! At 20:25, I have started up a straight = carrier on=20 8970.002 Hz (DHO locked). If all stays well I will leave it on until = after=20 sunrise.
 
An interesting observation on the side: In the first few minutes, = I drove=20 the amp up to 400 mA antenna current. A little corona became visible = near the=20 ends of two of the three topload wires - it wasn't very bright, not = unlike 3rd=20 magnitude stars when viewed from the ground 10 m below. But the 9 = kHz=20 sound from antenna itself could be heard quite loudly, which is=20 a potential cause for neighbourhood trouble.
 
Then I reduced the drive to 350 mA where the corona disappeared=20 completely. So did the noise, the antenna became absolutely = quiet! All=20 that was left was a little noise from the coil in the dustbin on = the=20 balcony, and the transformer indoors. Thus the predominant cause = for a=20 squeaking antenna must be corona. The fact that it can be heard = at 9=20 rather than 18 kHz demonstrates that the discharge=20 must have an asymmetric dependence on the voltage = polarity.
 
At the same time, wideband electrical noise on the nearby LF = grabber=20 antenna went down by 20 dB.
 
BTW If you like you can actually read my VLF frequency=20 from an alias line on the LF TA grabber: It is created by = the 24th=20 VLF harmonic, intermodulating with DCF 77, thus appearing = on 24 x=20 8970.002 - 77500 =3D 137780.048 Hz.
 
Best regards,
Markus (DF6NM)
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