Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD082-8ef49d510aa107; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:23:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD027-8ef49d510aa107; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:23:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LpSUr-0003MV-O1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:22:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LpSUr-0003MM-Ax for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:22:41 +0100 Received: from smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LpSUp-0000VI-6y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:22:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 7638 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2009 19:21:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MIMEOLE:Importance; b=5pnlMrIKziErQQiShAviiwGS2e5qrq7tioUvr2sYRR4MmPLN/tgYLTyJRzAqVh8PW8226KnYBJfwsFWCDlEukj/9E75uYJtsxxdRV+wV+Y1mE57EIGeB06o13oHlQX1Dw/6+4TR57U23U9yte+Wg/WXXyZpL7sp2LtP/Cq6dqes= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.134.204.201 with login) by smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2009 19:21:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 20:21:37 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20090402070903.C2A5031E704@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: QRSS / beacon test on 503.7kHz [resonators] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rik, LF, I use a Murata 1 Mhz resonator, divided by two for a 500 kHz direct-conversion RX. It drifts about 10 Hz per hour, about the same as your 4 Mhz unit. It tunes the whole 500 kHz band with a 150 pF series capacitor, and is fine for CW and other casual listening. For transmitting, I use a 5040 kHz crystal divided by ten. This is a very common reference clock crystal, and I found that if I unsoldered the top of the can and scribbled on the quartz plate with a soft graphite pencil, it tuned down to 503.7 kHz very nicely. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 02 April 2009 08:09 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: QRSS / beacon test on 503.7kHz Hello Mike, I am using a "clone" of the M0BMU design. It is a 4MHz ceramic resonator VXO, divided by 8 to get 500kHz. It tunes the entire 501-504 band (in fact 500-505) and after some warming up it is reasonable stable (drift of less than 10Hz/hour). As it was meant for CW QSO's there was no need for further stabilization, I am sure that with some kind of temperature control stability could be improved significantly. Actually the frequency stability is best at the lower band end (large tuning capacitor), so 503.7kHz is not optimal. I noticed that the VXO drifted up about 30Hz from 21:30utc till 05:30utc, during this period the shack temperature dropped from 22C to 14C (thus about 4Hz/C) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 00:13 2/04/2009, you wrote: >Hi Rik, > >What kind of resonator are you using? There has been talk of using >ceramic resonator's on HF beacons but some question if they can be >tamed down to stay put on freq. Are you using a crystal heater on >that resonator? > >Mike >WE0H >/16 > > > >Rik Strobbe wrote: >>Dear all, >> >>I just started a QRSS10 beacon on 503.7kHz (right now 503.705 but >>it might drift down some Hz over the next hours). >>The beacon will start every 15 minutes at +6 minutes (so xx:06, >>xx:21, xx:36 and xx:51) and the message takes about 7,5 minutes. >> From +6:25 to +6:30 it will be "key down" for the "blue trace" on >> the G4GWT beacon monitor. >>ERP is about 200mW >> >>73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >>Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm >> >> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm