X-GM-THRID: 1243064228916299372 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.87.11 with SMTP id k11cs25694wxb; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.158.12 with SMTP id g12mr1883759bue.1185478430021; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id d25si2659207nfh.2007.07.26.12.33.45; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1IE8zz-0000kx-Sn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:27:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1IE8zy-0000ko-VM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:27:46 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IE8zx-0000DN-DP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:27:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 59824 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2007 19:27:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Importance; b=BPIhh/4kYWYc1xAdd3Ep8xtfsRGVSTgzp84FlbS66JaQ8uN7hsyAclFsbiv7jJgiR8lI6nJsOa2yD5s8VkLDMbYhit5pkNJaebOsPXY+mv1akYYTZtvISwfmYvgYZzVKg46jguC/rZiz49wR+BWX4ftCXmnB/8kNY8iczP/TPB0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.134.200.243 with login) by smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2007 19:27:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oagJ98QVM1l.kM64U.Swd7N5De2jESFQbbSFLNYnyZuLt31RVqqD7dLysbhWJjMVt3IdChCdgQMXQ.WL3.fTYA4FnfbEXuaOQ.BRhHPj4KV5ugfr From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:27:49 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <013901c7cf63$0da0c360$4768e150@o> Importance: Normal X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: of [ 500]Two GW's Testing... GW4HXO overnight run Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C7CFC3.6F51C270" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3644 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C7CFC3.6F51C270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Rog, LF. You've got to be within 100Hz of each other so that you both fit on my "Argo" screen. It doesn't matter too much if you drift into each other, as it's quite possible to differentiate between the two sets of signals. The G0MRF beacon on 503.7 is pretty strong at this location, so my preference would be around 503.8 and above, or more-or-less where you are now on 501.5. I won't be able to do any more overnight monitoring until Monday night, as I am going to QSY with my trusty W&G to IO70WJ (Devon) for the week-end, and will do some listening from there. Perhaps we can fix up something for next week. BTW, I'm going to burn a CD of the overnight stuff for Alan. If you want a copy, let me know. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gw3UEP Sent: 26 July 2007 09:30 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: [ 500]Two GW's Testing... GW4HXO overnight run Dave/wcb, Tks for all info, esp the 6dB comp. What freq separation would suit? Rog. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave G3WCB To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:48 PM Subject: LF: [ 500]Two GW's Testing... GW4HXO overnight run Mike, LF. Good signals from GW4HXO throughout the night, with a marked drop in strength between 0350 and 0420 utc, and reversion to daytime signal levels therafter. The propagation showed the same sort of pattern as GW3UEPs signals, but Mike seems to be consistently stronger by around 6 dB Mike's signals reached a sort of peak at 2330utc, and stayed at good audible strength until 0350 utc, with moderate QSB having a two or three minute cycle. His signals didn't exatctly "fall off a cliff" after 0350utc, but a fairly rapid decrease in signal strength occurred, perhaps as much as 10 dB, but I'm guessing. Mike's signals have been visible all morning [couldn't listen - I was at work :-((], then stopped abruptly at about 1410 utc this afternoon. It would be really interesting to run an overnight comparison between GW4HXO and GW3UEP, but at the moment, they're beaconing at opposite ends of the band! I'm also seeing what I assume to be Finbar clearly on 503.792 at the moment. Can't make out his call-sign by ear. Night and day comparison screenshots of GW4HXO attached. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 24 July 2007 22:56 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: [ 500]; Two GW's Testing... GW4HXO Dave, LF, GW4HXO is quite a bit stronger now, and clearly audible in a 1.74 Khz bandwidth (Wierd SPM-30 feature) I'd give him 439 by ear. My background noise level is sitting at -74 dBm, and Mike is a dB or two above that. (About 50 micro-volts at the RX terminals) I'm using a 20m long "Tee" at 6m, tuned with a big coil which is link-coupled to the RX. It does pick up a lot of SMPSU crud from nearby wiring. A loop would be much quieter. I'll leave ARGO running overnight to see what happens to the signal levels around dawn. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave Sergeant Sent: 24 July 2007 21:28 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: [ 500]; Two GW's Testing... GW4HXO On 24 Jul 2007 at 20:58, Dave G3WCB wrote: > Well.......I'm seeing something on 503.812, and I might be hearing > fragments of a call-sign. I'm using a SPM-30 on the 24Hz bandwidth > setting, and the callsign is a bit too fast.-- Would it be possible > to insert a couple of seconds of blank carrier after each call-sign, > or alternatively QRS to 5 or 6 WPM? Still amazed at the difference in reception between Bracknell and Iver (the whole of about 10 miles...). Currently hearing (and not much different from midday here) with my two ears..... 505.15 DI2BE 569 503.8 GW4HXO 559, very consistent all day 503.75 G0MRF 599 503.65 G4WGT 579 503.2 GI4PDE traces, was solid earlier 502.2 G3XIZ in QSO with G3UNT both 599 501.5 GW3UEP 329 (All frequencies approximate, difficult to read to 10Hz accuracy when tuning CW by ear...). I can even hear 'HXO and 'WGT under 'MRF's psk in my 400Hz filter A couple of CQs from here earlier went unanswered... 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C7CFC3.6F51C270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,=20 Rog, LF.
 
You've=20 got to be within 100Hz of each other so that you both fit on my = "Argo"=20 screen. It doesn't matter too much if you drift into each other, as = it's=20 quite possible to differentiate between the two sets of signals. The = G0MRF=20 beacon on 503.7 is pretty strong at this location, so my preference = would be=20 around 503.8 and above, or more-or-less where you are now on=20 501.5.
 
I=20 won't be able to do any more overnight monitoring until Monday night, as = I am=20 going to QSY with my trusty W&G to IO70WJ (Devon) for the week-end, = and will=20 do some listening from there. Perhaps we can fix up something for next=20 week.
 
BTW,=20 I'm going to burn a CD of the overnight stuff for Alan. If you want a = copy, let=20 me know.
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 Gw3UEP
Sent: 26 July 2007 09:30
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: [ 500]Two GW's = Testing... GW4HXO overnight run

Dave/wcb,
Tks for all info, esp the 6dB = comp.
What freq separation would = suit?
Rog.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Dave G3WCB
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:48 PM
Subject: LF: [ 500]Two GW's Testing... GW4HXO overnight=20 run

Mike, LF.

Good signals from GW4HXO throughout = the night,=20 with a marked drop in
strength between 0350 and 0420 utc, and = reversion to=20 daytime signal levels
therafter. The propagation showed the same = sort of=20 pattern as GW3UEPs
signals, but Mike seems to be consistently = stronger by=20 around 6 dB

Mike's signals reached a sort of peak at 2330utc, = and=20 stayed at good audible
strength until 0350 utc, with moderate QSB = having a=20 two or three minute
cycle. His signals didn't exatctly "fall off a = cliff"=20 after 0350utc, but a
fairly rapid decrease in signal strength = occurred,=20 perhaps as much as 10 dB,
but I'm guessing.

Mike's signals = have been=20 visible all morning [couldn't listen - I was at
work :-((], then = stopped=20 abruptly at about 1410 utc this afternoon.

It would be really=20 interesting to run an overnight comparison between GW4HXO
and = GW3UEP, but=20 at the moment, they're beaconing at opposite ends of = the
band!

I'm=20 also seeing what I assume to be Finbar clearly on 503.792 at the=20 moment.
Can't make out his call-sign by ear.

Night and day=20 comparison screenshots of GW4HXO attached.

73, Dave G3WCB=20 IO91RM


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On=20 Behalf Of Dave G3WCB
Sent: 24 July 2007 22:56
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Subject:=20 RE: LF: [ 500]; Two GW's Testing... GW4HXO


Dave, = LF,

GW4HXO=20 is quite a bit stronger now, and clearly audible in a 1.74 = Khz
bandwidth=20 (Wierd SPM-30 feature) I'd give him 439 by ear. My background
noise = level=20 is sitting at -74 dBm, and Mike is a dB or two above that.
(About = 50=20 micro-volts at the RX terminals)

I'm using a 20m long "Tee" at = 6m,=20 tuned with a big coil which is
link-coupled to the RX. It does pick = up a=20 lot of SMPSU crud from nearby
wiring. A loop would be much=20 quieter.

I'll leave ARGO running overnight to see what happens = to the=20 signal levels
around dawn.

73, Dave G3WCB=20 IO91RM



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On=20 Behalf Of Dave Sergeant
Sent: 24 July 2007 21:28
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Subject:=20 Re: LF: [ 500]; Two GW's Testing... GW4HXO


On 24 Jul 2007 = at 20:58,=20 Dave G3WCB wrote:

> Well.......I'm seeing something on = 503.812, and=20 I might be hearing
> fragments of a call-sign. I'm using a = SPM-30 on the=20 24Hz bandwidth
> setting, and the callsign is a bit too fast.-- = Would it=20 be possible
> to insert a couple of seconds of blank carrier = after each=20 call-sign,
> or alternatively QRS to 5 or 6 WPM?

Still = amazed at=20 the difference in reception between Bracknell and
Iver (the whole = of about=20 10 miles...). Currently hearing (and not
much different from midday = here)=20 with my two ears.....

505.15   = DI2BE   =20 569
503.8     GW4HXO   559, very = consistent=20 all day
503.75   G0MRF     =20 599
503.65   G4WGT    =20 579
503.2     GI4PDE    traces, = was=20 solid earlier
502.2     G3XIZ in QSO with=20 G3UNT   both 599
501.5     = GW3UEP  =20 329

(All frequencies approximate, difficult to read to 10Hz = accuracy=20 when
tuning CW by ear...).

I can even hear 'HXO and 'WGT = under=20 'MRF's psk in my 400Hz filter

A couple of CQs from here earlier = went=20 unanswered...

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com
<= BR>



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