X-GM-THRID: 1234647085444953809 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.35.22.8 with SMTP id z8cs285331pyi; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.117.2 with SMTP id u2mr889273ugm.1177451215857; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j1si2069470ugf.2007.04.24.14.46.52; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HgSnh-0006H6-Gk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:43:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HgSng-0006Gx-VH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:43:52 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.62]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HgSne-00017O-Dw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:43:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 12359 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2007 21:43:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Importance:In-Reply-To; b=Xh5ll//7bDK7QUgaj9FC0af6XqTitLOeGprP7LrLZ1ajcnjslkB6PfZmu4qDHB2gZlToBSvMS+nPzhMB5tbOuitDPByafLvUu/+DI2mSSxWsVe8zmhECDJK/AYylwl2Aed5X6yDV6eaXCvBXK/mgdy+Z2WAHbR8PVfAsxagfl4c= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.141.124.75 with login) by smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2007 21:43:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vkvckKEVM1nlgxx.8y74HrqIxfGyz.1XvYQjwXTAvm4Z1gZqVYNFNkBV8Xghen._ZD5UHjjydARAHJ9LoToiWd_Ad9pGeYGuz1TdW68eUd8bVdmp From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:44:08 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001901c785f7$bb64a4e0$0300a8c0@lark> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: [ 500] EASY START - ceramic resonators et al Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1913 Hi Alan, Alan and LF. I've done a few tests with trying to "pull" crystals and resonators up into the 501-504 kHz band. I used a single NPN transistor in a Colpits configuration with a 3 - 30pf trimmer capacitor in series with the crystal. Firstly, I tried a few 1.000 and 2.000 MHz HC6u crystals, available from RS Components. These would only move a few tens of Hz maximum, before they stopped. Secondly, I tried ten 500kHz resonators, type Murata 500 CSB. These are little yellow plastic cuboids approx 10 x 8 x 4 mm with two legs at the bottom. These all came out low, typically in the 498-499 kHz range, and couldn't be pulled much higher before they died. Thirdly, I tried some 1 MHz resonators, type Murata 1000J. These are even smaller blue plastic cuboids approx 7 x 5 x 2mm also with two legs on the bottom. These were much more amenable to "pulling", and would tune from 989 to 1011 kHz quite happily (494.5 to 505.5 kHz) The frequency stability seems quite good, and a hot soldering iron on one of the legs moved the frequency about 200 Hz, coming back on frequency as it cooled down. You would need to be careful using one of these, however, as you could easily slip out of band if you moved the trimmer too far. So one of these 1MHz resonators would seem to be a good source, once divided by two. You could leave the oscillator running continously for maximum stability, and key the divider. I might even have a circuit of a divider using a double triode if anyone wanted to stay with the retro "Valve theme"! Otherwise a 74LS74 or a CD 4013 will do the trick nicely. BTW, RS Components and Farnell sell a 11.0592 MHz crystal, costing the princely sum of 19 pence, which when divided by 22 will give 502.69 MHz. (74LS161 followed by 74LS74...no problemo...) 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alan Melia Sent: 23 April 2007 23:36 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 500 EASY START Hi Alan, there is not a lot of "accumulated wisdom" on 500kHz yet but most of the 136khz experience seems to work. The best tutorial for aerials at LF is the pages by Rik Srobbe ON7YD. You will find a lot else there as well. http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/ and click on "The 136kHz Amateur Band" in the left-hand bar. Low frequency crystals are almost unknown these days. It is so easy to divide down. Two techniques have been used straight division like Mal suggests or mixing crystals in the 5 to 6 meg range...pulling one up and the other down with a 2 gang variable cap. as Dave Sargent recently described. Have you though of trying at 50p ceramic resonator !! 500kHz is a stadard frequency for these and they are fairly "bendable" so may come up into the band. I think GW3EUP uses one. You will find a spreadsheet on my web site (beside a lot of other junk) which attemmpts to simplify the ERP calculation. http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/programs.htm It is an EXCEL sheet and should download OK. I hope that helps ...welcome to LF and remember LF=Lotsa Fun !! Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Ibbetson To: Sent: 23 April 2007 23:03 Subject: Re: LF: 500 EASY START > Hello everyone, Alan G3XAQ here. I just joined this mailing list. I'm > preparing my application for a 501KHz NoV, so Mal's note on an easy > start is very timely.