X-GM-THRID: 1208214225480177241 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 88df05c20b181efc0c3277a4a13f3ac8a4c7b342 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs204755qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 13:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.233.18 with SMTP id f18mr1779955nfh; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c10si9071855nfb.2006.07.07.13.47.46; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyxAg-0001q1-LO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 21:43:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyxAg-0001pn-0F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 21:43:30 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.38]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FyxAb-0007T2-2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 21:43:29 +0100 Received: from 88-106-106-250.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.106.250]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 07 Jul 2006 21:42:17 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAOVgrkSKFg Received: from 88-106-106-250.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.106.250]:3551 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Fyx9U-0006dA-Qz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 20:42:16 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 21:42:55 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <44AE9E92.32104.22ACD80@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.804,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: RE: LF: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5024 Hi J, I must agree with Mike (below) as my vertical wire is about 5 feet from the grounded mast & I have no problems with SWR or tuning etc. May be you need to check for a break in the vertical as Bryan suggested. Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Mike Dennison Sent: 07 July 2006 17:49 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Antenna Tuning I am not convinced that this is the answer. My vertical wire is a few feet from my mast (admitedly a 2in pole, not a tower) and I have had no problems. It worked best with the pole earthed as it then looks like a capacitor, rather than a resistor. Worth a try, though. Mike, G3XDV ========== > Try to unground the tower and use it as the vertical part of your > antenna. It could be that relatively close spacing of the coax you use > as vertical part is coupling a lot of energy into the tower and it > goes directly to ground and not into the ether. > Keep at it and best of luck. > de Lech, G3KAU > > "J. Allen" wrote: > The tower is grounded at its base at this time, but is up on > insulators and > can be ungrounded easily by disconnecting a 1/0 grounding conductor. > > The vertical portion of the antenna is a piece of coaxial cable spaced > about 4 feet away from the tower. > > Still no luck finding the first resonant point. All points have been > checked from 20 kHz through 250 kHz. It acts like I have a big > capacitor connected to the end of the coax. At the base of the > antenna, I have installed a relay and can switch between the dummy > load and the antenna base loading network. Whatever is wrong is wrong > on the antenna side of that relay. If the dummy load is put on the > other connector it acts as a dummy should, so the problem is not in > the relay or its connection. If I substitute a lumped constant for the > antenna, the traces are as expected with the scope. > > I just do not seem to be able to find a resonant point using a > frequency divider and tiny amp. The scope traces are either sine wave > traces but with the voltage and current out of phase, or else really > convoluted forms which are in phase. > > I am still at step one. How to I get the two waveforms to coincide and > at the same time have them look like sinewaves? > > Any ideas where to go with this now? > > "J" > > > > >