Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mj07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mj07.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.91]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v128.1) with ESMTP id MAILINMB074-a7a84bb8ae20388; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 11:20:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mj07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EAED5380000BE; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NyRbC-0005Ke-Q3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 16:18:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NyRbC-0005KV-2k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 16:18:54 +0100 Received: from smtp104.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.13.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NyRb9-0007Yb-UN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 16:18:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 82510 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2010 15:18:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=snet.net; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Importance:X-MS-TNEF-Correlator; b=K3RL4FQkam1ZoMUizW2bHZwhm/728/NxIqw/4jme1sWKcELWlXG9mOLBv7s2jwL2WQTOZGU3nJRemMupS07J/uZD1tWe+TuwiLY6Fxrrf9scj+uMYYV4fc7jeQ/plSUSkCvXd1fExplMH5I+oJkVCUaT8CVBqS+nH+BpNAKdero= ; Received: from adsl-76-195-73-149.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net (paulc@76.195.73.149 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Apr 2010 08:18:43 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: .XXmOBOswBCkuxW404eTLsnd.RdCQPge3WAF X-YMail-OSG: Et.Gv5cVM1kHJak1631RYarONxHuaUgo_.ql.NDrBl_oc3bo188HTjJdM0JOtDsr.j4Rp45Q0PsgqAuxny9ON2G7B9kFihVCsJa86cNVsxEXb2yOJVDy8ptKP8q8DmuwJnaTte2o5MdMU28tlO4RInyx0SLNjF_axCys1O5Tkl7p8K5MIiY4dtLApWzW2MsmPAnCQcrT8dujCs5..ai7eouCkOQ.K5wFenq_SDxZG6WEYI9.V_dkPsTEc_SRvnIv43qWarV996ZOKRNvWSuTPExuk4KLCMrC_UazKTABYkci7Uo0D7nVgYNoS9sf1AOUX6qxmTNfZQddZ4lQdQCIBfgmim4ZnB0oSJPxv3xaJjVwajXvmODY_Hd.hg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Paul A. Cianciolo" To: Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:18:47 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1BCF@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: W1VLF 9 Khz Antenna update Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01CAD3E8.98672390" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/57047 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean x-aol-sid: 3039400c89ae4bb8ae1e060a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CAD3E8.98672390 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0041_01CAD3E8.98696D80" ------=_NextPart_001_0041_01CAD3E8.98696D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF: Activity 3 Mar 2010Stefan,Group. An update on the W1VLF hopefully to be 9 KHZ antenna. The 55 meter wire sloping at 45 degrees measured 340 pf as you recall. The addition of 2 top hat wires has been made, each over 50 meters lon= g with a slope to the ground. Wire 1 is terminates at 11 meters above the ground and wire 2 terminat= es 20 meters above the ground. Antenna only =3D 340 pf Antenna and Wire 1 West =3D 650 pf=20 Antenna and wire 1 West and wire 2 East =3D 900 pf L to resonate at 9 KHZ now =3D 350 mHy. The L is now coming down to a reasonable size!! For the next step there are 3 possibilities: 1) Change the top 30 meters from a single wire, to 3 wires spread 1= meter apart at the top to gain perhaps 100 more PF? 2) Get my neighbors permission to use his tree as a support for the en= d rope on wire 1. This will increase wire 1 west about 40 meters and raise= the end from 10 meters to 20 meters. 200 PF more? 3) Run 2 more wires Wire 3 Northwest and Wire 4 Northeast each would= be 20 to 30 meters long and terminate at 30 meters high. These would be ov= er a forest and I am not sure if this is my best option. It may yield more "C" and lot more losses?? Goal is to try to get antenna "C" to 1200 pf or more All ideas welcome. PauLC W1VLF -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Sch=E4fer [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On= Behalf Of Stefan Sch=E4fer Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:44 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: AW: Activity 3 Mar 2010 Mike, LF,=20 Wow! 5641km is really impressing! Congrats!! Is there such an activity planned for the "west-stations" as well?= We could do the same! I've never been slower than DFCW-10 on LF. Would be interesting :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ -- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Mike Dennison Gesendet: So 04.04.2010 12:09 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Activity 3 Mar 2010 An excellent day's activity on 137kHz yesterday with 5 countries received, the furthest easterly station received here and a QSO with a new country. In the morining, OE5ODL and DJ6GT were received. During the UA tests, five stations were logged (see the attached screen grab - Argo set to QRSS30 and centred on 137.778kHz). The picture shows (from the top) UA0AET (5641km from me); RA3YO; RN3AGC; UA4WPF; and EW6GB who was first received as early as 1700UTC= . After the formal test I exchanged 'O' reports with EW6GB at 1902km, using QRSS10. Well done to all concerned. Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_001_0041_01CAD3E8.98696D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF: Activity 3 Mar 2010
Stefan,Group.
 
A= n update on the=20 W1VLF hopefully to be 9 KHZ antenna.
 
 
T= he 55 meter wire=20 sloping at 45 degrees measured 340 pf as you recall.
T= he addition of 2=20 top hat wires has been made, each over 50 meters long with a slope to= the=20 ground.
 
W= ire 1 is=20 terminates at 11 meters above the ground and wire 2 terminates 20 mete= rs above=20 the ground.
 
A= ntenna only =3D=20 340 pf
 
A= ntenna and =20 Wire 1 West  =3D 650 pf
 
A= ntenna and =20 wire 1 West and wire 2  East  =3D 900 pf
 
L= to resonate at=20 9 KHZ now =3D 350 mHy.
 
 
T= he L is now=20 coming down to a reasonable size!!
 
F= or the=20 next step there are 3 possibilities:
 
1= ) Change the top=20 30 meters from a single wire,  to 3 wires spread 1 meter apart at= the=20 top to gain perhaps 100 more PF?
 
 
2= ) Get my=20 neighbors permission to use his tree as a support for the end rope on= wire=20 1.  This will increase wire 1 west  about 40 meters and rais= e the end=20 from 10 meters to 20 meters. 200 PF more?
 
 
3= ) Run 2 more=20 wires  Wire 3 Northwest and Wire 4 Northeast  each would be= 20 to 30=20 meters long and terminate at 30 meters high.   These would= be over a=20 forest and I am not sure if this is my best option.
I= t may yield more=20 "C" and lot more losses??
 
G= oal is to try to=20 get antenna "C" to 1200 pf or more
 
A= ll ideas=20 welcome.
 
PauLC
W1VLF
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Stef= an Sch=E4fer=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefa= n=20 Sch=E4fer
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:44 AM
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: AW: Activity 3 Mar= =20 2010

Mike, LF,=
 
Wow! 5641km is really imp= ressing!=20 Congrats!!
 
Is there such an activity= planned for the=20 "west-stations" as well? We could do the same!
 
I've never been slower th= an DFCW-10 on=20 LF. Would be interesting :-)
 
73, Stefan/DK7FC

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org im=20 Auftrag von Mike Dennison
Gesendet: So 04.04.2010=20 12:09
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff:= LF:=20 Activity 3 Mar 2010

An excellent day's activity on 137kHz yesterday wi= th 5=20 countries
received, the furthest easterly station received here= and a QSO=20 with
a new country.

In the morining, OE5ODL and DJ6GT were= =20 received.

During the UA tests, five stations were logged (see= the=20 attached
screen grab - Argo set to QRSS30 and centred on=20 137.778kHz).
The picture shows (from the top) UA0AET (5641km from= me);=20 RA3YO;
RN3AGC; UA4WPF; and EW6GB who was first received as early= as=20 1700UTC.

After the formal test I exchanged 'O' reports with= EW6GB at=20 1902km,
using QRSS10.

Well done to all concerned.

M= ike,=20 G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

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