Return-Path: Received: (qmail 692 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 04:40:48 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 04:40:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 24918 invoked by uid 10001); 1 Aug 2002 04:45:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 04:45:37 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17a9Sd-00041P-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 07:29:23 +0100 Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17a9Sc-00041K-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 07:29:22 +0100 Received: from user-37kau3a.dialup.mindspring.com ([207.69.120.106] helo=kd4wov) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17a7ic-0004BH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:37:47 -0700 From: "Tom Tishken KD4WOV" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Re: Re: Droitwich carrier Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:38:18 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <200208010356.g713ujZ12610@block.iamanidiot.com> Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: in the tube days you directly modulate the finals with actual audio power. For example you have a 100 watt TXer. you would need 50 watts of audio to modulate the 100 watt carrier to 100% modulation. Thus you will be adding power to the carrier. This is called high level modulation. Low level modulation is done in the driver or exciter. This will produce AM but not the same power out. For instance most SSB rigs that have AM, actually produce AM by removing the SSB filters (now you have Double Sideband) and unbalancing the ring modulator (I.E. inserting or allowing a carrier to be sent thru). This will produce a carier of 1/4 rater output power, and will actually sound the same as high level, IF you have a 6 KC filter on the TX.You can not have AM on a SSB filter < 3 Khz, you need Double Side band 3 KHz + 3 KHz = 6 KHz Minimum. You can get by with 5 KHz but it will have some lost audio response. Think of AM as 2 SSB signals transmitted at the same time on the same freq. LSB and USB, both of them will have a common center freq. Lets use 14.300 MHz. A 1 Khz tone in the mic will produce a carrier and a tone with a freq 1 KHz higher and 1 KHz lower. So now you will be looking at 3 freqs: 14.300 carrier 14.301 USB 14.299 LSB On a AM receiver it will sound like a single 1 KHz tone. -----Original Message----- From: majordom@post.thorcom.com [mailto:majordom@post.thorcom.com]On Behalf Of David Willmore Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:57 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Droitwich carrier let's see this one get there, too. :) > Let's see if this gets to the list ! > 100 percent modulated AM transmitter > will show 22 percent power output increase > during a sustained 100 percent modulation > condition ! This is different from what I would expect to happen. To start with, one takes a carrier or some power, then one modulates its amplitude. This process spreads some of the energy into the symetrical side bands--taking power out of the carrier, thus causing 'downward modulation' of the carrier, right? I believe the Yaesu FT-817 uses this scheme for its AM transmit. I think it was described as 'early modulation' of the signal. Does that mean anything to you? How would one modulate a carrier and add power? I must be very lost. Cheers, David N0YMV