Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18437 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 23:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 23:20:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 2792 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 23:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 23:19:59 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WQSV-0001FF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:17:35 +0000 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.49] helo=scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WQST-0001FA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:17:34 +0000 Received: from sdn-ar-006florlap324.dialsprint.net ([158.252.71.230] helo=kd4wov) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WQRb-0001qN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:16:39 -0800 From: "Tom Tishken KD4WOV" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Tesla Coil as an antenna Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:15:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <000401c1aaa8$325455e0$fdca28c3@erica> Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Wow, now that is something I have not heard. I had a Jacob's Ladder set up that created some RFI even into the TV bands. I am amazed that you did not hear anything, but you could be right about the energy being dissipated in the sparks. I had an HF antenna that had a bad insulator. It worked great at 25 watts but at 50 watts the SWR started going crazy and very few locals could hear me that were 5 miles away (on 10 meters). What took a while figure out, was it worked at lower powers but it seemed to be an attenuator at higher power levels when it started arcing (which I found out about by seeing it at night). Makes you wonder how Tesla could have sent any power over any distance except 2 possibilities. 1) He had a large ground, which would be very effective at LF and we have not reproduced. 2) He made sure Arcing was not happening. -----Original Message----- From: majordom@post.thorcom.com [mailto:majordom@post.thorcom.com]On Behalf Of g3ldo Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:39 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Tesla Coil as an antenna > >> I have not experimented in a while with my partially built tesla coil, > >> but has anyone used their Tesla coil as an antenna for ELF or other Freqs? > I assume that a typical tesla coil is a rather short and fat structure. I > am not sure that in this case the magnetic field can be ignored, compared > to the electric field. And since a Tesla coil has rather small dimensions - > compared to other LF transmitting antennas - I'm afraid that it will have a > very low efficiency. > BUT ... since you have the Tesla coil available I would certainly recommend > to do some tests (that's what all the fun is about). Over two years ago I reported on the Tesla coil as a radiator. I was operating at radio station at Amberley Museum and was told that there could be some QRM because of a Tesla group who had set up at the Electricity Hall. I did not experience any QRM so after my operating stint I drove my car near to where some of the larger coils were being tested. I was told by the group that the frequencies in used depended on the size of the coil with the large ones on about 130kHz and the one very big one on 70kHz. These coils produced some very spectacular displays. I had my old 707 rig with a converter with me and used a 2m length of wire as an antenna. The rig was located about 100m from the coils. I tuned around the LF bands while some of these monsters were being fired up and heard - nothing! The receiver was working because I could hear the lager commercial stations without difficulty. It could be that all the energy was being dissipated the spark - but I would have expected to receive something. All these big coils were using the rotary spark gap method of firing the primary coils - a spectacular display in themselves. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web