Return-Path: Received: (qmail 992 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 23:27:07 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 23:27:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 21737 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 23:26:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 23:26:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RKvD-0003tl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:26:43 +0000 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RKvD-0003tc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:26:43 +0000 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.173]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id gBPNQbP11205 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:26:37 -0600 From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:27:18 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <000501c2ac34$be28d8a0$0000a398@yourw92p4bhlzg> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RE: Loops again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Bill Ashlock in the US. He is an intelligent engineer and very generous. I will forward your message to him so he can get back with you. Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Ralph Lane Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 10:43 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Loops again Mike, I must have missed something, who is Bill and where do I find info about Ashlock loops? Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "WE0H" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Loops again > What is special about an Ashlock loop you ask; the tuning components. > Nothing new and exotic just explained real well by Bill and tested over and > over to refine the procedure and construction and installation of a > super-performing loop. Everyone that has followed his advise to the exact > letter has gotten a good signal on the band in the US. I am waiting for the > license to be mailed back so I can cram 400w into my loop. If I can make 1w > go easily past 160 miles with a totally audible CW signal day and night, > imagine what 400w or even less would do as I don't think it will take the > full legal limit to make solid CW contacts with this antenna and decent > conditions. > > I understand that most amateur LF antennas are inefficient, but these loops > have been bad mouthed for a long time and we have an Engineer here that has > taken on the task of designing and testing the heck out of a 50' by 50' loop > on 185kc and come up with a few variations that tested in the real world on > the air and continue to prove their awesome design and engineering to > perform excellent. > > Yes, verticals do work well with the proper installation. Or you can make a > lousy installed vertical work with a bunch of power. But take a lousy > installed loop or lousy matched loop and it wont work worth a darn. Follow > Bill's advise and it will work. > > Mike>WE0H > http://www.we0h.us/lf > WE 185.3026kc > QRSS & -.-. .-- > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Steve Thompson > Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 2:16 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: Re: Loops again > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: WE0H > To: > Sent: 25 December 2002 02:40 > Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: Loops again > > > > Then why did my 1-watt signal go 1302 miles the other week? I was sending > > QRSS-30 and the receive station was southwest from here. My loop points > > north and south. It usually goes out past 500 miles in QRSS and over 160 > > miles in CW with the receiving station listening to it with his ears. It > is > > an Ashlock loop maybe that is the difference??? > What's special about an Ashlock loop? > > The article I mentioned does say that electrically tiny loops are > inefficient - but aren't electrically tiny verticals inefficient too? > > Steve > > > > >