Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1102; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id tAUJBduT001437 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 20:11:39 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1a3ToG-0002zo-Jq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:08:24 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1a3ToF-0002zS-Rq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:08:23 +0000 Received: from smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net ([212.54.42.165]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA256:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1a3TnB-0000AB-IS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:08:22 +0000 Received: from [212.54.42.132] (helo=smtp8.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1a3Tmr-0002lo-Ra for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 20:06:57 +0100 Received: from 535789e7.cm-6-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([83.87.137.231] helo=pe1dxsd4d6fb82) by smtp8.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with smtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1a3Tmr-0003WO-NP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 20:06:57 +0100 From: "Victor" To: Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 20:06:57 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Ziggo-spambar: / X-Ziggo-spamscore: 0.0 X-Ziggo-spamreport: CMAE Analysis: v=2.1 cv=T+ZxNK+Q c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=cIF5Tx0qAAAA:8 a=qtqOOiqGOCEA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=GoqwstHNAAAA:8 a=nCBUYBfQAAAA:8 a=wV9FcBFsAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=x-Nea2Lpyp-Mst_KJXIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=gUVE0s_LM8WGMU-y6WUA:9 a=WxAnH2osdbM-yqQ7:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 xcat=Undefined/Undefined none X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Scan-Signature: b707651713bcd4ad9db4bb0f5d794041 Subject: LF: RE: Class E PA design Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01D12BAA.AA8BD320" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5468 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01D12BAA.AA8BD320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Andy Talbot Verzonden: zaterdag 28 november 2015 15:54 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Onderwerp: LF: Class E PA design There was a discussion a while ago about ththe PA design used here http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/100W_QTX/100WTX/PA_pa.gif and Alan amde = the comment, I think that teh series capacitor at 1uF looked = suspiciously large to be part of a tank circuit for a Class E = transmitter. Well... I've just been playing around with my spreadsheet for Class = E stages with a built in series-L shunt-C match at the output. = http://www.g4jnt.com/DownLoad/classe_match.xls For a range of transformed impedances there are two configurations = that you can end up with. The reactance of the series L part of the = match can be absorbed into the tank coil, increasing its value, OR, it = can be absorbed into the series C DECREASING its value. Using this = latter solution, there will (usually) come a point with suitable choice = of tank Q where the reactance of the matching L exactly equals that of = the tank capacitor, making this disappear. =20 That is almost certainly what has happened in GW3UEP's design. There = are also a range of values where Xc tank is less than Xl match so it can = never be absorbed, and only the one solution is possible - that of = adding it to the tank inductor. To do this you have to first get a working network with some arbitrary = Q chosen, and a valid output match for your optimum power output etc. = Then adjust the tank Q value while watching the resulting two possible = values shown as C2 on the spreadsheet. As Q is altered, one will move = toward infinity then disappear completely. Andy G4JNT Geen virus gevonden in dit bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 2015.0.6176 / Virusdatabase: 4460/11080 - datum van uitgifte: = 11/28/15 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01D12BAA.AA8BD320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
 
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Van:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Andy=20 Talbot
Verzonden: zaterdag 28 november 2015 = 15:54
Aan:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org;=20 rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
Onderwerp: LF: Class E PA=20 design

There was a discussion a while ago about ththe PA = design used=20 here
http://www.gw3uep.ukfsn.org/100W_QTX/100WTX/PA_pa.gif=  =20  and Alan amde the comment, I think that teh series capacitor at = 1uF=20 looked suspiciously large to be part of a tank circuit for a Class E=20 transmitter.

Well...   I've just been playing around with my spreadsheet = for=20 Class E stages with a built in series-L shunt-C match at the = output. http://www.g4jnt.com/DownLoad/classe_match.xls

For a range of transformed impedances there are two = configurations that=20 you can end up with.    The reactance of the series L part = of the=20 match can be absorbed into the tank coil, increasing its value, OR, =   it=20 can be absorbed into the series C DECREASING its value.  Using = this=20 latter solution, there will (usually)  come a point with suitable = choice=20 of tank Q where the reactance of the matching L exactly equals that of = the=20 tank capacitor, making this disappear.   

That is almost certainly  what has happened in GW3UEP's=20 design.  There are also a range of values where Xc tank is less = than Xl=20 match so it can never be absorbed, and only the one solution is = possible -=20 that of adding it to the tank inductor.

To do this you have to first get a working network with some = arbitrary Q=20 chosen, and a valid output match for your optimum power output etc. = Then=20 adjust the tank Q value while watching the resulting two possible = values shown=20 as C2 on the spreadsheet.  As Q is altered, one will move toward = infinity=20 then disappear completely.

Andy  G4JNT

Geen virus = gevonden in dit=20 bericht.
Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com
Versie: 2015.0.6176 /=20 Virusdatabase: 4460/11080 - datum van uitgifte:=20 11/28/15

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