Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 691D7380000C9; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Rbbuq-0005XC-GY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:49:52 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Rbbup-0005X3-Oa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:49:51 +0000 Received: from nm2.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.200]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Rbbuo-0003di-9A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:49:51 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.196] by nm2.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2011 17:49:44 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.206] by tm2.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2011 17:49:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2011 17:49:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 538319.92821.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 18496 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2011 17:49:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=6YuUyTykeoujVzaMJ9LCqDkaiMoTfE+ky+O96x87IZvx85oBLTRVT34mxPEDSnoV9t4hX2j//SVqHaQYknKZWbWmp3b2wb8s8Owlkt6SfoVvCn1hRoiO3E/oLNdyMLHQOdrZv0PcYx7MhBnhSmxzsP5e9wbJf7r9az9fiAdRwuQ= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1324057784; bh=J38mIArAMylJbqw4YufNdvlrmhJoQaPxK+rQuVpE8YY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=4O5mmASvR+ADAtJWED6q8EfwNSOYk78jUwo5tcWF4zjoG4l1NZIZc9OdEhNrKzHiNUPQARqEkhHr5fAdJLjIWoTGmljqY/UOOPof9+Y8i9fdBcvih3YNLaImlXaiRrrYy2jLF7YTcDA42GHV53a3kpASrCPJcrDSC6J6hNk32YM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 9XZ5_UEVM1lnoAsQJRlZUhd0hGQ6VmptOJ66ihDeAmeHtDu 7tutVDwwF5BTLTpI1x7PJYmGQYh1aw45t5TIIwzgYLAQbFC4WKKFeqHoGYkJ 7SdXvhFe04AOETSJrp6dgDttdsAP1XWqdrnz8F0yyzUkzLY8BUJV7BiN2NRY wcelqBPZ_A7dgq3maV.z0XVpwKOju6R6_fwzqxoSeyjFwI0KQtczh790w9yA hl7NWVzNWHkkigbJB0L1iKSOnfsJW5SveYEzdu0LBW8hMDKqcdEEImkH_27p MxA0lu29TyaBiw3di72DnOji5QDbjJ4bD0b2kCRaFXI.1TssUFclzEdzEgs_ l78g5aVC3d2mWn5oUGJx5E9pEOdtcubYKiGLF_GjtsL.SUC2FLfg9bCWH8Hv YjDJXw.8M3fXAqeGkD9yR2Zs4SiSueOHz0ubIiJ_vW0d7EzwtthtORHHXp7m UFqCczJbLMTE- X-Yahoo-SMTP: TSPLEfqswBCkXAu6R8U.gZB4K6usTmjOLOcEEoLxraDeRaJTpd5b1BNNnSoo Received: from DennisPC (dennis.easterling@81.132.69.222 with login) by smtp823.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2011 17:49:44 +0000 GMT Message-ID: From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <002101ccbbf1$5b23d850$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003d01ccbbf3$0aae64b0$200b2e10$@com> In-Reply-To: <003d01ccbbf3$0aae64b0$200b2e10$@com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:49:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: Wellbrook Loop Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:459376000:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m012.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494eeb85072f94 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I read with interest the comments about the Welbrook Loop, raised by the review by Steve G0KYA in this month's Radcom. I have used one for the past 3 years and think the review is very fair. While it is true that the loop is not so sensitive as a well placed wire antenna, it does assist in overcoming the noise problem which is severe in many surburban areas. With only a small garden, I could not operate on 600m without one. To obtain best results, it should be placed well away from house and shack, where most electrical noise originates. Normally is is not necessary to mount it high up, and best results are often achieved with it close to the ground; mine is a metre off the ground. For the above reasons I would not place it in the loft where power cables usually run. I have interlocked the loop power supply with the key or PTT, so that the loop is dead during transmission. Finally, it is a well engineered device which I would not be without. 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry GW0EZY" To: Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:03 PM Subject: LF: RE: Re: Wellbrook Loop > Mal > > Thanks for reminding us that you are lucky enough to have a huge space for > antennas behind the miners rest home!! > > 73 Terry GW0EZY > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton > Sent: 16 December 2011 12:51 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: Wellbrook Loop > > Andy es Co > A friend lent me one of these loops and I was not impressed with its > performance compared to my resonant inv L system for 137. Likwise on 500 > Khz > compared to my 1/4 wave inv L is was well down. > Small loops, micro Probes and Ferrite rod antennas work after a fashion > but > are no substitute for the real thing ie Verticals, Rhombics, Vee beams and > Large loops Yankee style. > de Mal/G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Talbot" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 11:21 AM > Subject: LF: Wellbrook Loop > > > I've just read the review of the welbrook Loop in the latest RadCom, > and wondering if anyone here knows the preamp configuration. > > > > > > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > > >